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[bucket]

Picked up another 205. This one has a 27 spline input. Seems to be a 73 model. Wasn't a total score, but I haven't seen one for a good while for a decent price, at least a few years. I paid about what it's worth, $250.

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I have been wondering what those were going for these days. I bought a couple of the 27 spline versions 10 or 15 years ago. Both complete with adapter, shifter and crossmember. One of them even came with the front shaft. I think I paid $100 for one, and $125 for the one with a front shaft.

 

[PrairieDrifter]

I have been wondering what those were going for these days. I bought a couple of the 27 spline versions 10 or 15 years ago. Both complete with adapter, shifter and crossmember. One of them even came with the front shaft. I think I paid $100 for one, and $125 for the one with a front shaft.

I paid $250 or $300 like 10 years ago for a 465/205 combo with adapter, mainly was paying for the 205. I paid $200 total a few years ago for two divorced dodge 205's, one was missing the input shaft and gear.

I'd say $300 is about the goin price on a used good greaseball.

 

[78C10BigTen]

I have been wondering what those were going for these days. I bought a couple of the 27 spline versions 10 or 15 years ago. Both complete with adapter, shifter and crossmember. One of them even came with the front shaft. I think I paid $100 for one, and $125 for the one with a front shaft.

I also have the same! I just dont know the spline count.

 

[bucket]

I also have the same! I just dont know the spline count.

The one with a 465? Those are 10 spline

 

[78C10BigTen]

The one with a 465? Those are 10 spline

Sorry i didnt know

 

[bucket]

Sorry i didnt know

Don't be sorry

If they were behind an sm465, they were 10 spline. If they were behind a th350, they were 27 spline. These two units are the same, other than the [male] input splines. They utilized a drive coupler, within the case adapter, to connect them to the output shaft of the transmission. Last I knew, you could buy an aftermarket drive coupler to put a 10 spline 205 behind a th350, as well as a coupler to run a 27 spline 205 behind an sm465.

205's from behind a th400 used a female 32 spline input, along with a larger input bearing that makes the 205 case different than the 10/27 spline variants.

 

[PrairieDrifter]

Don't be sorry

If they were behind an sm465, they were 10 spline. If they were behind a th350, they were 27 spline. These two units are the same, other than the [male] input splines. They utilized a drive coupler, within the case adapter, to connect them to the output shaft of the transmission. Last I knew, you could buy an aftermarket drive coupler to put a 10 spline 205 behind a th350, as well as a coupler to run a 27 spline 205 behind an sm465.

205's from behind a th400 used a female 32 spline input, along with a larger input bearing that makes the 205 case different than the 10/27 spline variants.

Would the 465/208's use the 32 spline also? I have that 32 spline 465. The late 465/205's would have been 32 spline right? They did away with 10 spline in 84-85?

 

[bucket]

Would the 465/208's use the 32 spline also? I have that 32 spline 465. The late 465/205's would have been 32 spline right? They did away with 10 spline in 84-85?

Correct. The 10 spline died with the figure 8 version of the 205, after '84. 465/208 was 32 spline.

 

[Hunter79764]

Junkyard had a sale going on.
I may have gone a bit overboard with finding different fans for projects.

I have a 1954 Bel Air that has a tall narrow radiator shape and I think the main fan will be a good fit to the size that it is.

I want to get into the PWM stuff too, but so far I'm still using the older tech...
Late 90's FWD Buicks and Caddy's had a fairly simple tall/skinny/large diameter fan that was set up as a 2 speed with a resistor to basically drop the voltage to the fan at low speed that might work with your '54. They move some good air on high speed, and when run as a simple two speed, the inrush is not noticeable, especially on the Caddy fans which doubled the low speed resistor. It is whisper quiet on low.
I have also just stolen the 2 speed setup to use on other traditional fans (the fan is still a 2 wire, just low voltage on low speed). Here's an example of the factory logic, but you can usually pull the dual speed relay harness and resistor easily, especially on the older cars before they started combining everything into one master harness, and trigger it however you like. Here in Texas on my Monte swap, I have used it to run low fan with engine running at all times, and kick on high when it gets hot (or AC on). While running in low speed with a decent aluminum radiator, it rarely ever kicks on high unless I'm beating on it severely in the heat, and so I don't get the annoying inrush and Whoosh sound of an electric fan starting. And since the fan is already spinning, when it DOES kick on high, it is much less noticeable than it would normally be.

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Edit, looks like this is for a turbo buick which gives it the "coolant fan delay relay" that acts as a 'turbo timer' to run the fan after shutdown to keep from coking up the turbo. Ignore that and you have the rest of the system that ought to work...

 

[AuroraGirl]

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the condensor pic is to show the dimensions of hte radiator/condensor core, which translate to the diameter of the fan assmebly, on a 99 park avenue

They do use a low speed and high speed, high speed is activated when the AC is on or temp of 235iirc is reached

Low speed is about 215-220

Decently quiet under park avenue hood but didnt know that about caddilacs, the 2006-2011 cadillac DTS would have the same or similar diameter for its northstar and 4t80e, much more packed in the engine bay and also more heat potential

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Looks like youre right as far as 3 relays, this doesnt list them but i suppose they prob are setup like you say

 

[Hunter79764]

Couldn't find my old fan, but RockAuto to the rescue for info if anyone is interested. '93 Buick Park Avenue fan drawing here, I know it was on a lot of similar era stuff too. There was a secondary smaller fan on a spider style mount, usually installed with it that was a little harder to package, see in the link. It didn't seem to move nearly as much air, so I never messed with installing it on anything. I ran the big fan on a V6 radiator with a tiny and thin core and a 5.3 swap, never had issues with cooling but I got a good deal on the bigger aluminum radiator and a set of early 4th gen F body LT1 dual fans and honestly only ever needed one without AC.

1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE 3.8L V6 Radiator Fan Assembly | Shop Now at RockAuto

Cooling System Parts and More for Your 1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.

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You can see the 3 wire plug going in, the white blocks are the resistors. 1 resistor is a faster low speed, dual resistor (shown) is the slower low speed, same high speed on a ~16" fan.

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Anyway, I'll shut up about them, but I just like to share the info about the dual speed setup for people that hate the lights dimming every time the fan comes on like I do...

 

[Catbox]

Good information.
I will keep an eye out for those models listed above in a couple weeks when we go back for the 75% off sale.

 

[AuroraGirl]

Couldn't find my old fan, but RockAuto to the rescue for info if anyone is interested. '93 Buick Park Avenue fan drawing here, I know it was on a lot of similar era stuff too. There was a secondary smaller fan on a spider style mount, usually installed with it that was a little harder to package, see in the link. It didn't seem to move nearly as much air, so I never messed with installing it on anything. I ran the big fan on a V6 radiator with a tiny and thin core and a 5.3 swap, never had issues with cooling but I got a good deal on the bigger aluminum radiator and a set of early 4th gen F body LT1 dual fans and honestly only ever needed one without AC.

1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE 3.8L V6 Radiator Fan Assembly | Shop Now at RockAuto

Cooling System Parts and More for Your 1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.

www.rockauto.com

You can see the 3 wire plug going in, the white blocks are the resistors. 1 resistor is a faster low speed, dual resistor (shown) is the slower low speed, same high speed on a ~16" fan.

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Anyway, I'll shut up about them, but I just like to share the info about the dual speed setup for people that hate the lights dimming every time the fan comes on like I do...

This is actually interesting, @MrMarty51 how many fans does your oldsmobile have? The generation oldsmobile we both have are the same body as the 93 lesabre and 93 park avenue, so they have similar fan setups. My 1990 Only came with 1 fan, which is because it didnt have the auxillary fan RPO (additional cooling capacity)
a 1988 lesabre Which I took the fan assembly off of, and just ran it on-off on my old 1977 Ford LTD , it managed to keep that car from getting too hot, but i had no gauge so I couldnt tell you how good it was. But it was a nice altogether assembly, ya know?

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Here it was in a video, i took two screenshots because it was never entirely in frame, but the fan design should be similar to what @Hunter79764 is talking about
The LTD probably had a comparable radiator to a truck

 

[AuroraGirl]

Couldn't find my old fan, but RockAuto to the rescue for info if anyone is interested. '93 Buick Park Avenue fan drawing here, I know it was on a lot of similar era stuff too. There was a secondary smaller fan on a spider style mount, usually installed with it that was a little harder to package, see in the link. It didn't seem to move nearly as much air, so I never messed with installing it on anything. I ran the big fan on a V6 radiator with a tiny and thin core and a 5.3 swap, never had issues with cooling but I got a good deal on the bigger aluminum radiator and a set of early 4th gen F body LT1 dual fans and honestly only ever needed one without AC.

1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE 3.8L V6 Radiator Fan Assembly | Shop Now at RockAuto

Cooling System Parts and More for Your 1993 BUICK PARK AVENUE at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.

www.rockauto.com

You can see the 3 wire plug going in, the white blocks are the resistors. 1 resistor is a faster low speed, dual resistor (shown) is the slower low speed, same high speed on a ~16" fan.

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Anyway, I'll shut up about them, but I just like to share the info about the dual speed setup for people that hate the lights dimming every time the fan comes on like I do...

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[MrMarty51]

This is actually interesting, @MrMarty51 how many fans does your oldsmobile have? The generation oldsmobile we both have are the same body as the 93 lesabre and 93 park avenue, so they have similar fan setups. My 1990 Only came with 1 fan, which is because it didnt have the auxillary fan RPO (additional cooling capacity)
a 1988 lesabre Which I took the fan assembly off of, and just ran it on-off on my old 1977 Ford LTD , it managed to keep that car from getting too hot, but i had no gauge so I couldnt tell you how good it was. But it was a nice altogether assembly, ya know?

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Here it was in a video, i took two screenshots because it was never entirely in frame, but the fan design should be similar to what @Hunter79764 is talking about
The LTD probably had a comparable radiator to a truck

I will check that this morning, bephore heading to working. I need to check the oil on that car and on the 88 Buick Century.
Have not had the hood opened on the Buick phor about a munth, it most likely is about ready phor a fifth, oooops, quart, yup a quart.