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at least its not like the bloat of the ford c6 becoming the E4OD. Ford skipped the "lets do a lockup converter and try 4 speeds with manual controls" they jumped straight to a 4 speed electronic trans and it took them almost the entire span of the e4od to make it accceptably reliable, and then they changed it to the 4r100 anyway LOL
They are also a lot bigger than say a 4l60e/700r4, they use way more fluid, they DONT cool in reverse!!! They parasaticially lose a lot of hp, and they arent the smoothest shifting trans around either. The C6 with an overdrive behind it (e4OD) is yeah...
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vs the th350 vs 700r4
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althoughm, to be fair, the c6 and e4od are more comparable to the 4l80e, but im not going to give it that much credit