camel back heads?

[Kapdin]

Try mid to upper 200's outta da box.
But there is a difference betwix 062 and 906 vortecs.
906 had the inconal seats...ok for a truck, not good for someone who intends to have further headwork done...for that, you want 062s with the three angle vaalve job.

...just heads and intake ima gain 100hp?

 

[HotRodPC]

Being conservative and maybe more realistic, more like 60hp gain with room to grow, as in a bigger cam later on down that road that you will get more gain from and be able to take advantage of the bigger ports.

With the Camel heads, you're looking at maybe 20-25 tops. Maybe a little more with the compression gain, but you're not going to be getting much more breathing room that the Vortecs give.

 

[Jims86]

Plain and simple, vortecs will give you what you are looking for. You can use a less expensive manifold with an adaptor, but it will have to be tuned regardless, if you are TBI.

 

[HotRodPC]

Plain and simple, vortecs will give you what you are looking for. You can use a less expensive manifold with an adaptor, but it will have to be tuned regardless, if you are TBI.

Uhhh Wait a minute?!?! Adapter??? For a Manifold??? NOOOOOOOOOO. Not only is not one available that I'm aware of, although some have tried but failed, why use an adapter that is just going to be your next bottleneck and now no advantage to the Vortecs? Just don't do this mod until you have funds to do it right, or don't do nothing. The Camels are a very minor gain. If you're lucky, it'll be a noticeable gain. Vortecs, for sure you'll notice a big gain.

 

[Jims86]

Uhhh Wait a minute?!?! Adapter??? For a Manifold??? NOOOOOOOOOO. Not only is not one available that I'm aware of, although some have tried but failed, why use an adapter that is just going to be your next bottleneck and now no advantage to the Vortecs? Just don't do this mod until you have funds to do it right, or don't do nothing. The Camels are a very minor gain. If you're lucky, it'll be a noticeable gain. Vortecs, for sure you'll notice a big gain.

No No No No, a carbed (cheaper)vortec manifold with an adaptor for the TBI....dammit, you know better!
You need to be Dinozzo'd!

 

[Kapdin]

Yea im over the double hump heads guys. I was more or less talking my self out of doing anything since im looking at 1k to do the vortecs right and was thinking it will only be around 200hp and still have an old motor while a gm crate will bolt in with warranty for 1,500 and be at 260hp was my train of thought.

 

[HotRodPC]

No No No No, a carbed (cheaper)vortec manifold with an adaptor for the TBI....dammit, you know better!
You need to be Dinozzo'd!

OK, I get it. What is it $100 difference for TBI Vortec intake and carbed intake? I think I'd suck it up and do it right. Sometimes, GOOD MODS, just have to wait for the right time. I could probably throw my A833 in this 85 K1500 if I wanted to half ass it and save some money. And same for a good built 700r4. I have a rebuild kit for a 700r4 already. BUT, I prefer to wait til I have the right parts, and not half ass it. In your case Kap, it might need to wait a month, but figure it this way, for something you're going to drive this way for say 3 years minimum. What is one more month to do it right for the best gain in hp, dependable as possible without issues. What's one more month compared the 36 month minimum use you'll get out of it. Some things it's OK to cheap out on, somethings it isn't.

 

[HotRodPC]

Yea im over the double hump heads guys. I was more or less talking my self out of doing anything since im looking at 1k to do the vortecs right and was thinking it will only be around 200hp and still have an old motor while a gm crate will bolt in with warranty for 1,500 and be at 260hp was my train of thought.

Now Hold a minute grasshoppa !!! Where do you get you'd only have 200hp if you had Vortecs? That crate motor is about what you have in your truck now. It's an old school 350 with old school heads. Is that the one if you read the fine print it's 260 hp with the Performer Intake, Aftermarket Carb, headers and dual exhuast???

So if it's old school motor like you have now, old school heads like you have now, dish pistons 8.5:1 compression like you have now.... what does that tell you the difference is? CAM !!! This is why I said, Conservative Gain of 60hp on the Vortec heads WITH ROOM TO GROW and a cam change later down the road.

So, maybe you're going about this backwards buddy. First things First, What motor do you have in your truck now? Carbed or TBI? What condition is it in? Burn Oil, Smoke, Lose power climbing hills, Fouls Plugs, Low or good oil pressure?

Next, What are you trying to accomplish? MPG gain? HP/Torque Gain? Head replacement cuz the current ones are tired? Motor is tired? Dependability? What exactly are you wanting to be different?

 

[GreaseDog]

Most intake valves were 1.72, 1.94 and performance heads got 2.02's. Sure about the 1.84?

To the best of my recallection, Camel Hump heads were 64cc +/- heads.

The 1.84 heads were common on smogger engines. The 1.72 valves were common in early small blocks.

 

[GreaseDog]

Try mid to upper 200's outta da box.
But there is a difference betwix 062 and 906 vortecs.
906 had the inconal seats...ok for a truck, not good for someone who intends to have further headwork done...for that, you want 062s with the three angle vaalve job.

No difference between 062 and 906 Vortecs when it comes to performance. Chevy High Performance retracted that inaccurate claim shortly after it was published.

 

[Kapdin]

Now Hold a minute grasshoppa !!! Where do you get you'd only have 200hp if you had Vortecs? That crate motor is about what you have in your truck now. It's an old school 350 with old school heads. Is that the one if you read the fine print it's 260 hp with the Performer Intake, Aftermarket Carb, headers and dual exhuast???

So if it's old school motor like you have now, old school heads like you have now, dish pistons 8.5:1 compression like you have now.... what does that tell you the difference is? CAM !!! This is why I said, Conservative Gain of 60hp on the Vortec heads WITH ROOM TO GROW and a cam change later down the road.

So, maybe you're going about this backwards buddy. First things First, What motor do you have in your truck now? Carbed or TBI? What condition is it in? Burn Oil, Smoke, Lose power climbing hills, Fouls Plugs, Low or good oil pressure?

Next, What are you trying to accomplish? MPG gain? HP/Torque Gain? Head replacement cuz the current ones are tired? Motor is tired? Dependability? What exactly are you wanting to be different?

Well my thoughts are based of the idea that my 1979 carb 350 is sitting with 150hp.... wiki/other sites. I know she has bad heads and this is and will try to be DD/work truck so reliable power.... if that makes sence lol. And if that crate motor only needs an intake and headers to be at 260hp then that sounds good to me so under 2k and 100,000 mile warranty. BUT! if your saying vortecs/intake/headers will net me the same for 1k then sure! but guess my math skills don't see that happening.

 

[Kapdin]

also my 350 is solid, does not use any oil (leaks a bit but not burn). down the highway shes at 55psi and idle is 25-30 psi starts and runs smooth.

 

[HotRodPC]

Well my thoughts are based of the idea that my 1979 carb 350 is sitting with 150hp.... wiki/other sites. I know she has bad heads and this is and will try to be DD/work truck so reliable power.... if that makes sence lol. And if that crate motor only needs an intake and headers to be at 260hp then that sounds good to me so under 2k and 100,000 mile warranty. BUT! if your saying vortecs/intake/headers will net me the same for 1k then sure! but guess my math skills don't see that happening.

OK, so with that said, and if that's what you're out to accomplish, then I'd say you're right on track. Go with the crate. You'll have 240-260hp, (Remember 260hp is ADVERTISED, If I told you I had a 12in pecker....) Which will be a significant gain over your current motor, and dependable, and fair mpg for a full size old truck for under $2K as you put it, and if the warranty gives you peace of mind for a few years, then you've accomplished everything you wanted to, and also have your core left over for a later build on another project.

 

[HotRodPC]

The 1.84 heads were common on smogger engines. The 1.72 valves were common in early small blocks.

I kinda feel dump now. Honestly, I don't recall ever dealing with 1.84 valves, and didn't even know they existed. I know about the old low perfomance and truck heads having having the 1.72's/1.50, and the 1.94's/1.50 & 1.60 and the 2.02's. Never heard of he 1.84's.

 

[HotRodPC]

also my 350 is solid, does not use any oil (leaks a bit but not burn). down the highway shes at 55psi and idle is 25-30 psi starts and runs smooth.

Well hell, then put a RV Cam in it with a new timing set, Eddy intake and rock with it. That'll wake that bitch up. Is if carb or TBI now?