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Ya I was able to run a piece of taped wire (so I could see it) from the top down and also from the bottom up. Carpet backing is toast, so next step is I might as well do the front carpet. Thanks for the help.been a minute since I've done it, but if you fed something down from the cowl and it came out there, that's gotta be it. I just remember not being able to fit my hands in there very well and using a stick. I kept flushing water from the cowl to push stuff down and using the stick to help pull stuff down and out. and then flushing again, and repeating.