Huck's daily - 2005 Z71 crewcab

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So when does the '07 hood and grille happen? Lol :)
Lol hopefully sometime over the winter or in the spring I'll score one. I've found a couple red ones either locally or a couple hours away but I either missed them or the seller wasn't very helpful in getting better pictures. Wanna get the gears bought first and then I'll really start looking a little harder
 

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So yesterday I drug the LTZ's out of the back yard to get them ready for the tire shop. They were nastyyyy, especially this on. It looks like it was probably on a corner with a dragging brake? Idk but that was some seriously caked on crap

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I used a combo of CG's red gel wheel cleaner, Dawn foaming dish cleaner for super caked on grease, stiff bristle brushes and carefully scraping with a flathead screwdriver to get it to this point. I have some plastic razorblades I'm going to try to get the last of it off. This wheel is the worst of them with that gouge and everything. Keeping my eyes out for a partial set or one or something to eventually replace this one with. It'll go on the RR lol

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The backsides of them all looked about the same, nasty. Just wanted to get them better. I may scuff more and paint back there eventually. Maybe

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Holy weights batman!!

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Also got my new center caps out so I could put my new stickers on them and see what it all looks like. He made the bowtie a little smaller than the OE version but I don't mind it, kinda tones down the red

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Then got them and the 275/60s loaded up to go to the tire shop. Wasn't sure if 37s and 33s would fit in the mini-bed but they do! :lol:

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Also loaded up all my suspension rebuild stuff to go ahead and have it at work for when I get started. Was planning on this coming weekend but the GF pitched a fit cuz we have a friendsgiving on Saturday so I may do it a little each night after work

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Last night I took account of all my parts to make sure I hadn't missed anything and assembled my UCA's

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And I got the 275/60/20 Hankooks swapped onto the LTZ's yesterday. Threw 2 on this morning before work just to see how they'd look. I honestly didn't think they'd clear at stock height, being a 33" but I have plenty of room on the pass side. They'll probably just barely rub where the washer bottle is on the driver's side but I'm gonna go ahead and run them

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Threw the jack under it to level it. I was a little worried they'd be too small but I think it's gonna be ok

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Thanks guys! Hoping to start on the suspension rebuild Saturday evening or Sunday, prob gonna need more than 1 day to do it cuz I wanna clean and paint while I'm there too. Then the next thing will be saving for/buying the gears/rear posi/axle rebuild kits.

Gonna get everything from Quick Performance cuz they're awesome and have great prices:
-Rear posi/gear/bearing kit - Yukon Duragrip clutch type posi, 4.88 gears, posi additive, Lube Locker gasket and all the bearings/seals/races/gear marking compound/etc - ~$560. Trying to decide if I should go solid pinion spacer or not
-Front IFS gear/bearing kit - 4.88s and all bearings/seals/etc - $245
-A set of Timken setup bearings - $85
 

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4.88s? What’s the reason for that if I may ask?

I would go solid pinion spacer myself. You can make your own setup bearings if you have access to a Sunnen hone, or 3 stone hone (like a wheel cylinder or cylinder hone) or hillbilly hone (Emery cloth folded on a rod with a slit down the middle) for the cost of a second set of regular bearings.

I’d also recommend getting a tube of AC Delco gear marking compound, $10 or so for a tube and much easier to work with than the mustard packet of marking compound that comes with install kits.
 

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4.88s? What’s the reason for that if I may ask?

I would go solid pinion spacer myself. You can make your own setup bearings if you have access to a Sunnen hone, or 3 stone hone (like a wheel cylinder or cylinder hone) or hillbilly hone (Emery cloth folded on a rod with a slit down the middle) for the cost of a second set of regular bearings.

I’d also recommend getting a tube of AC Delco gear marking compound, $10 or so for a tube and much easier to work with than the mustard packet of marking compound that comes with install kits.
Definitely appreciate the advice! I'd thought about that for the setup bearings too, we have a wheel cylinder hone at work. It just basically needs to be a gentle slip fit, right? Just not sloppy?

Good to know on the Delco gear marking compound, I'll pick some up. I've never done gears so any tips and tricks, I'm all ears. Thankfully our R&D director that I share an office with has done plenty of them and I'll be doing this at work so I'll have him to fall back on if I get stuck.

As for the gears, this thing has 3.42s and it's a DOG. I've had 2 factory 4.10 trucks and always felt they could've used more gear too (I had 305/55/20s on both of them). Considered 4.56, that would get me back in the stock ballpark but I want some extra oomph and I may very well put 35s on this thing at some point, so the 4.88s would be beneficial while not being too much gear if I stick with 33s.
 
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It’s not much, on the setup bearings I have made it has been from .0005 to .0015 I’ve had to hone out. Not much at all. Just a nice slip fit. I did the ones for the 79s 12 bolt on the Sunnen hone, the ones for my friends 14b sf I did with a hillbilly hone. Some folks like to use the old pinion bearings as setups, with the ones I’ve built the old bearings were bad enough I think it would have been a wasted effort. Note that while the ID/ODs of bearings and races are close tolerances, the overall length is typically a little more open, like ten or fifteen thousandths tolerances on the lengths, so two timken bearings may have a different overall/installed height, which will effect the setup. There is a way to check the delta with a race, the two bearings, and a test indicator. Once that delta is known then it’s easy to compensate for it.

A good bench stone (that’s flat), small granite surface plate (or heavy glass, granite countertop) and some emery cloth sheet for checking/knocking burrs off is good to have. Does not take much to introduce error into measurements due to a burr or high spot.

I like to stone or hit with a file any mating surfaces, ring gear to carrier faces mainly, and I personally deburr the ring and pinion teeth with a cratex rubberized abrasive wheel on a rotary tool.

Check the runout of the face of the carrier, check backlash in 3-4 spots, that can provide good indication if the gear set has runout or issues, something not seated right, etc.

Cleanliness is key, clean everything, and then again!

I recommend a clamshell type bearing puller, the ~$120 ones are good units. It will save the bearing if you have to pull it to adjust the shim.

Write down shim combinations and take pictures of each trial setup, with a note of the combination, that way you can revert to one if needed.

That makes sense with your choice of 4.88s, I’m sort of stuck in a mindset between the Cummins and 35s with 3.55 gears (1600rpm @65) and non overdrive stuff.
 

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It’s not much, on the setup bearings I have made it has been from .0005 to .0015 I’ve had to hone out. Not much at all. Just a nice slip fit. I did the ones for the 79s 12 bolt on the Sunnen hone, the ones for my friends 14b sf I did with a hillbilly hone. Some folks like to use the old pinion bearings as setups, with the ones I’ve built the old bearings were bad enough I think it would have been a wasted effort. Note that while the ID/ODs of bearings and races are close tolerances, the overall length is typically a little more open, like ten or fifteen thousandths tolerances on the lengths, so two timken bearings may have a different overall/installed height, which will effect the setup. There is a way to check the delta with a race, the two bearings, and a test indicator. Once that delta is known then it’s easy to compensate for it.

A good bench stone (that’s flat), small granite surface plate (or heavy glass, granite countertop) and some emery cloth sheet for checking/knocking burrs off is good to have. Does not take much to introduce error into measurements due to a burr or high spot.

I like to stone or hit with a file any mating surfaces, ring gear to carrier faces mainly, and I personally deburr the ring and pinion teeth with a cratex rubberized abrasive wheel on a rotary tool.

Check the runout of the face of the carrier, check backlash in 3-4 spots, that can provide good indication if the gear set has runout or issues, something not seated right, etc.

Cleanliness is key, clean everything, and then again!

I recommend a clamshell type bearing puller, the ~$120 ones are good units. It will save the bearing if you have to pull it to adjust the shim.

Write down shim combinations and take pictures of each trial setup, with a note of the combination, that way you can revert to one if needed.

That makes sense with your choice of 4.88s, I’m sort of stuck in a mindset between the Cummins and 35s with 3.55 gears (1600rpm @65) and non overdrive stuff.
All good tips, I really appreciate it. I do plan to deburr everything, I've read about that as well as checking backlash and runout on the current setup and measuring all the current shims/bearings as they come out.

Cleanliness is second nature, got plenty of brake clean lol

For the clamshell puller, that's for the pinion, right? Had not heard of that/seen that, will certainly pick one of those up as well

Yeah, a 5.3 makes ALOT less torque than your Cummins lol. Currently, with the 3.42s and 32" tires, I run ~1750 at 70 and anything more than a mild tip-in makes it downshift. 4.88s would put me at 2500 with a 32" tire at 70 or at 2280 with a 35" tire. My C10 with the 4L60/3.90/28" tire ran ~2300-2400 at 70 and that seemed to be it's happy spot.
 

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The clamshell pullers are used on carrier bearings, if you are reusing a carrier, or on Dana axles they sometimes put the shims inbetween the carrier and the bearing, instead of the housing and the outer race. So to make a shim change requires pulling the bearing.

And to pull the inner pinion bearing off the pinion to change bearings or make shim changes. Even with setup bearings, and measuring the delta, it’s not unusual to have the pattern change slightly from setup to final bearings.

They used to be crazy expensive, now the import units can be had for like $100-150 and work well.

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I recall riding in others gmt400s and 800s where they really seemed to like to command 2nd when tasked with even a minor hill on the highway, pretty much redline just to regain a couple mile an hour lol.
 

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Just watched a couple videos, that's a nifty tool! For $100-150, I'll probably pick one up.

I even got my buddy to tune the trans in this one and it still does that downshift to 3rd and unlock the converter just to gain 2mph on a small hill lol. I figure the 4.88s and a healthier torque cam when I reseal the motor will make a ton of difference in the drivability. Hoping my mileage will pick up on the small tires and at least stay close to the same on 34/35s
 

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