Emissions question

[Grit dog]

Not exactly. If you go to the state run office chances of you getting off easy is significantly higher. A tag office will bend you over the counter DRY.

It took me 6 MONTHS to register my '84 when I got it. The blue hair at the local tag office tried to charge me sales tax on book value of $26k when I had a bill of sale clearly stating I paid $2500. I made three trips over as many weeks trying to register the truck and I finally gave up. Fast forward 6 months I stopped at the county courthouse to take a stab at it. Well, I was registered at sold value, given a sincere apology from the clerk and was on my way in 5 minutes. She said that never should have happened and would report the agency, but I doubt a damn thing was done about it.

Also, if you tow in WA buy an SUV! Registration(road use tax) is much cheaper than on open bed truck even though they can tow as much or more. Imbeciles. Government logic hard at work for you the taxpayer.

I think it’s more luck of the draw than anything with vehicle licensing facilities. The 3rd party place nearest to me is very good. As is the Issaquah one.
Some are facilitated by the county. In rural areas I think, only. None are run by the State iirc. Drivers license facilities are though.
Yes SUVs are less to license. Same as cars I think. But for this year, my 2016 car was $100 and the 2016 diesel 3/4ton no extra tonnage purchased, truck was about $120. Good point but the delta is not that great and one thing good about here is vehicle registration is very reasonably priced compared to many states. WA gets more of their vehicle money through the high fuel tax. Ironic being a proponent of EVs as well. I think they’ve now tacked on an extra $100 for EV registrations but that doesn’t cover much at 60c /gal gas tax. They’re still shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity.

 

[DoubleDingo]

Interesting. My '81 is 8600 and came factory with pump, tubes, and no cats. No egr. I'm guessing you don't have the original air cleaner assembly with the stickers. That would show you exactly what it came with. It being from CA it had smog equipment on it, no way it didn't. It may not have it on there now, but if the smog reps dig into the books to see what it actually came with, they may require your to reinstall it.

Forgot to mention my 81 is a CA truck. Yours having no cat, I can see that, but not having all of the normal smog pump and tubes, seems odd

 

[84GMCSierra]

Interesting. My '81 is 8600 and came factory with pump, tubes, and no cats. No egr. I'm guessing you don't have the original air cleaner assembly with the stickers. That would show you exactly what it came with. It being from CA it had smog equipment on it, no way it didn't. It may not have it on there now, but if the smog reps dig into the books to see what it actually came with, they may require your to reinstall it.

I read somewhere that these larger GVW trucks weren't required to have it or need it. It even has the factory plugs in the exhaust manifolds where the tubes would go. I have a factory style air cleaner on it now, as it had a 6" open element when I bought it. It may have, as it was on it's 2nd engine and was a farm truck here in Arizona when I bought it in 2019. I'll do some more digging.

 

[75gmck25]

The GVW vs emissions rules changed over the years. My ‘75 with 8400 GVW had no factory catalytic converters and very minimal emissions gear, but that exemption only lasted a few years. In 1980 they raised the HD standard to 8500 lbs, so Chevy then marketed trucks with the 8600 lb GVW package. In 1987 they started using converters on almost all trucks, regardless of GVW.

Trivia for you - the origin of the F150 (vice F100) and the Heavy half in the early 70’s was to sell a half ton with a GVW high enough to be exempt from the catalytic converter requirement. The first years of the HD exemption for half ton trucks it kicked in at 6000 lbs GVW, so most Heavy duty half tons were 6050 GVW or higher.

 

[DoubleDingo]

I read somewhere that these larger GVW trucks weren't required to have it or need it. It even has the factory plugs in the exhaust manifolds where the tubes would go. I have a factory style air cleaner on it now, as it had a 6" open element when I bought it. It may have, as it was on it's 2nd engine and was a farm truck here in Arizona when I bought it in 2019. I'll do some more digging.

I doubt those plugs are factory, anybody that removed the tubes used those plugs in the holes. Post up some pics of your engine bay.

 

[Grit dog]

FYI there's a bill in the WA legislature(HB1194) to FORCE you to have collector vehicle insurance with specified liability limits AND have a second registered vehicle for daily driving.

Just another in the litany of reasons to say F#@% WA state!

I.CAN'T.WAIT.TO.MOVE!

That’s interesting. This year’s legislation? I wonder what the ins and outs of it are since you only need liability to be legal. Is it raising the minimum liability req for collector plated vehicles? Seems hinky. Any old insurance company will write a liability policy for a collector car. Or most will anyway. Is it requiring collision coverage or something?
Solving a problem that doesn’t exist with the 1000s of collector vehicles that come out on sunny days and Friday nights and are most in better shape than your avg tweaker mobile with NO insurance and there are probably 100,000 of them running around daily just in the seattle area. Plus the rest of the state. WA is pretty high on the list of % of UIMs. And they’re not tough on it.

I have an 84 Sierra C2500, base model, and it came from California but didn't have the emissions stuff on it. I'm living in Northern Arizona right now, but thinking of moving to Tucson. If the truck didn't come with the emissions stuff, I shouldn't have to add it if they have requirements for it in Tucson, should I? I removed the EGR as it wasn't hooked up anyways, and running duals with mufflers only(350/TH400). Thanks

Since I was as off topic as any, your answer is no, you won’t have to add anything that wasn’t original to the vehicle.
And you may want to research and verify but in that era the cutoff for cats required (and maybe other stuff) was <8500lbs gvw. Hence the 8600 gvw rating on many class 2 trucks. If yours is a 8600 gvw you should have far less or nothing required.
That said, you should also read the rules and nuances of the emissions testing requirements including that of registered classic vehicles. You can’t escape by age of vehicle. Because 1966 is the cutoff….lol. Worse than Cali!
Maybe someone who lives there can explain in detail but likely it’s best to do your own research.

 

[Ricko1966]

Put the EGR valve back on,even if it doesn't work. Make it look like it's on and functional,a missing egr valve is going to be red flag and the inspector is going to pay extra attention to your truck.

 

[legopnuematic]

Trivia for you - the origin of the F150 (vice F100) and the Heavy half in the early 70’s was to sell a half ton with a GVW high enough to be exempt from the catalytic converter requirement. The first years of the HD exemption for half ton trucks it kicked in at 6000 lbs GVW, so most Heavy duty half tons were 6050 GVW or higher.

Don't forget the D/W150 Dodge trucks over the D/W100's for the same purpose.

 

[84GMCSierra]

I doubt those plugs are factory, anybody that removed the tubes used those plugs in the holes. Post up some pics of your engine bay.

Here's some pics of the manifolds. Keep in mind, this isn't the factory engine. It's a crate motor that was put in before I bought the truck in 2019. Exhaust has been partially redone as the down tube on the driver's side isn't bent correctly so I can't use 2 of my gears in the TH400. Linkage hits and gets kicked into neutral so will get my new kit on eventually which is a complete dual setup I bought from Summit I believe.

 

[DoubleDingo]

It's not the engine that determines emissions, well, yes and no. If you installed a newer engine, chances are you would have to install and run the newer emissions equipment and pass the more stringent standards for that newer engine.

But, each state is different on that. Your engine being a crate engine replacement, I doubt they get into all of that, as you're running the "original" equipment on the engine. Except, you're lacking "original" equipment on the engine.

It previously being a farm truck, the PO could get away with removing all of that equipment. Now, you will be registering it and using it in a more typical fashion, so the emissions equipment, whatever was there originally, will need to be there to pass.

I would bet money that besides the egr you removed, your engine came with the smog pump, the spaghetti of vacuum hoses, and the tubes on the exhaust manifolds. As stated by others, you do need to research to find out what it came with. Post up pics of the other side of the engine and the SPID label in the glove box if it's still there.

At the very least, register it in a location that doesn't require the testing, but that requires you have an address there.

 

[Dixie Pride]

In Maryland say 30yrs. ago i took off my cat.converter in did not pass.So i went to Motor vehicle admin. and registered my truck as a 10.000 gvw which made it exempt from emissions inspection.I also put farm tags on it so it was exempt from a bumper height law we have here.Boughth her new in 1984 3/4 ton K20 reg.cab 5.5 suspension lift ,3" body kift with cutout fender flares 44" swampers and 66K miles on the truck.Name is (REVERENT BLACK)Trouble is am getting older and it is harder to get into.

 

[AuroraGirl]

You must be registered for see images attach

this is what it may look like if you do find it

 

[84GMCSierra]

It's not the engine that determines emissions, well, yes and no. If you installed a newer engine, chances are you would have to install and run the newer emissions equipment and pass the more stringent standards for that newer engine.

But, each state is different on that. Your engine being a crate engine replacement, I doubt they get into all of that, as you're running the "original" equipment on the engine. Except, you're lacking "original" equipment on the engine.

It previously being a farm truck, the PO could get away with removing all of that equipment. Now, you will be registering it and using it in a more typical fashion, so the emissions equipment, whatever was there originally, will need to be there to pass.

I would bet money that besides the egr you removed, your engine came with the smog pump, the spaghetti of vacuum hoses, and the tubes on the exhaust manifolds. As stated by others, you do need to research to find out what it came with. Post up pics of the other side of the engine and the SPID label in the glove box if it's still there.

At the very least, register it in a location that doesn't require the testing, but that requires you have an address there.

Here's the SPID. sorry it's not very clear. It was on the left inner fender. Anyways, who or where do I check with to find out if it came with all the emissions garbage?

 

[84GMCSierra]

Here's the SPID. sorry it's not very clear. It was on the left inner fender. Anyways, who or where do I check with to find out if it came with all the emissions garbage?

I did notice it says YF5 California Emission, so that answers that question

 

[DoubleDingo]

I did notice it says YF5 California Emission, so that answers that question

YF5 is it. You somehow need to find what YF5 truck's came with. Maybe @Keith Seymore knows where to look for that stuff? There was another member on here that needed the stickers on the air cleaner because the truck wouldn't pass without the stickers. That was lame, but I think he found them.