camel back heads?

[bucket]

It doesn't matter what the definition of double hump or camel hump actually is, people always disagree and they were just nicknames anyway. All that matters is the casting number, that's what says for sure what they are. If they have accy holes, I'd run them but not for that price. If they aren't fresh and don't have hardened seats, they will need reconditioned and that will cost a few hundred bucks.

 

[GreaseDog]

"camel backs" "camel humps" and "double humps"are all the same thing. Later models did get accessory holes from the factory. They are ALL 40+ year old heads.

As for your 86 Monte having "dealer installed" heads... Sounds like a voided powertrain warranty right out of the box. Best case scenario, that car was equipped with an L69 305, which had "upgraded" heads over the LG4. but they aren't "double humps." Still just low flowing smog heads.

 

[Driver4r]

"camel backs" "camel humps" and "double humps"are all the same thing. Later models did get accessory holes from the factory. They are ALL 40+ year old heads.

As for your 86 Monte having "dealer installed" heads... Sounds like a voided powertrain warranty right out of the box. Best case scenario, that car was equipped with an L69 305, which had "upgraded" heads over the LG4. but they aren't "double humps." Still just low flowing smog heads.

Sorry to tell you but we have EVERY receipt and paper that came with the car.

 

[GreaseDog]

Ok, post up the casting numbers... And the paperwork showing "camel back" heads being installed.

 

[HotRodPC]

Camel humps, Double Humps, Fuelie, 462's 461's, whatever the hell you call them, were dealer installed on an 86 Monte Carlo when new? I'll call a 3 yard dump truck load of ******** on that deal. But, I can sure be proved wrong. And that you'll have to do. Prove me wrong.

 

[HotRodPC]

well the 79 has no a/c so i wouldn't need it anyways but if im spending any money ill just get vortec's

YES, you do need accessooy holes even wo AC, unless your going to run an old school V Belt configuration, and then you'd also need a header bracket if running headers, and have to change to old school balancer pulleys for alignment of the pulleys.

Most likely they won't have hardened seats to run unleaded fuel, figure a valve job, surfacing, and a crack check before you even bolt on used heads. If they do need hardened seats, or any guide work, you're money ahead to just but a set of new Vortecs. Even when you factor in the cost of a new intake, it's very hard to beat the value of Vortecs. That said, a stock set of Vortecs will far outperform even modified double humps.

Yep, Vortecs by far the way to go. They out breathe the Camel heads right out of the box. If if you spent $3000 on hardened seats, massive porting and polishing, they sill will not breathe like vortecs. For $350 you can find Vortecs. Up to the mid 90's, the Vortecs where the heads of choice and where all the hype was at. Not anymore. I wouldn't pay over $100 for a set of good Fuelie head cores. And I wouldn't even do that unless it was a set with a accessory holes which are even more rare. Those are a great head choice for a small journal 327 motor for a 60's car restoration project. Punt that deal. Shop for Vortecs or keep saving the pennies and get a set of aluminum aftermarkets, like Dart or Brodix.

 

[Jims86]

Csting numbers were 462624 for most of the 86 engines...76 cc chambers, and highly prone to cracking. could be 14022601 too with 1.84 intake valves. all those smogger heads had that single sawtooth symbol.

 

[RetroC10Sport]

Ident: 14014415

Ident: 14014416

Ident: 14019926

Ident: 14020555

Ident: 14022301

Ident: 14034807

Ident: 474213

According to the interchange.

 

[HotRodPC]

Ok means it looks like im the only one here that ACTUALLY has heard of them. Double humps and camel backs are NOT the same thing.

Double humps also came in multiple setups also animal 2.02,1.98,and i think a 1.64. And came both with hole or without.

Camel back heads HAVE mounting holes in them for accessorys like alt,ac,pwr steering.

While newer vortec heads are said to perform better, i still like old American metal heads.

If the money allowed i would go aftermarket, but for a decent/budget price, camel backs are a good moderate power head.

Yep, Learn me sumting new. I want to see these Camel Back heads. Paticularly the casting #. They musta been some real rare dudes all I can say. I was illegal street drag racing in Los Angeles, Compton, Lynwood, Ontario, Pomona, La Habra, Whittier, Santa Fe Springs, in he mid to late 80's, where as in the LA, Compton and Lynwood area was the drug dealer brutha's that had tons and tons of cash. A $10,000 cash race, YES, I seen $20,000 on the hood of car once, so money wasn't a problem in that area, if they were different than anything else I'd had seen, I'm sure those guys could have afforded them.

By the way, that race happened to be between the Drug Dealin Brutha's and the Gypsies who I believe were of Middle Eastern descent, and they too had plenty of money. I rarely went to the East LA, Compton, Lynwood races due to the crime involved. But, I did go occasionally, cuz I knew I'd be seeing some wheelie pulling high 9 second trailered cars racing on the street.

The rest of the cities we hung out in was pretty clean, well mannered, clean cut, no drugs, no drinking, no guns, self policed and well behaved group of people. Someone showed up trying to be cool walking around with a beer got ran off by everyone. We kept our trash picked up, and for those who didn't mind their manners got a tongue lashing from everyone til they got the hint. That's how we kept the cops away, and how we kept the places like K-Mart or Mall parking lots from complaining and posting NO Loitering signs. Pretty amazing how a large parking full of cars and the people could behave without drugs and fights. Lots of trash talking, side betting and such, but noone got hurt except the 2 times there were crashes during races.

 

[HotRodPC]

Csting numbers were 462624 for most of the 86 engines...76 cc chambers, and highly prone to cracking. could be 14022601 too with 1.84 intake valves. all those smogger heads had that single sawtooth symbol.

Most intake valves were 1.72, 1.94 and performance heads got 2.02's. Sure about the 1.84?

To the best of my recallection, Camel Hump heads were 64cc +/- heads.

 

[HotRodPC]

When reffered to 462's and 461's, that was the last 3 #'s. 462 was most common. These are Fuelie cast #'s.
3767462
3782462
3814462
3890462
3891462
3990462

Here is some great head info from the old school heads and identificaiton.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/SBC_cylinder_head_identification

I remember one of my motor builds, I had some power pack heads that I had 194's put in, since they were 1.72 OE, kept the 1.50 exhuast valves, and we ported the living **** outta those things. Left the motor all greasy, had a guy majorly modify an OE carb ran a cam just enough lift to not need tall valve covers, degreed the cam so you couldn't hear any lope in it at all. Smooth idle. It was no 10 or 11 second motor. But that motor won alot of money. Reason being, open the hood, it looked like a POS, sounded stock. And always got a race for $100-$200 for those guys that just take a stock motor, put a biggo cam, headers, intake and biggo carb and thought they had something special. Take what ever space they were willing to give, or take the move and whip their ass and take their money. Even gave a few loud mouth braggers, heads up and an ass whipping with that ugly ass 10:1 compression motor, with 2bbl heads, stock intake that was worked over and ported, ram horn exhaust manifolds. Looked like a stock POS but ran hard for what it was.

 

[Jims86]

I dont think anything, excep for maybe big blocks got 2.02 from the factory in the 80s

 

[HotRodPC]

I dont think anything, excep for maybe big blocks got 2.02 from the factory in the 80s

I don't believe so either. Everything was so smog riddled in the 80's. The best heads to have for street racing in the 80's and they weren't 80's heads, were the angled plug 2.02 heads. IIRC, those were Z28 Camaro and Vette Heads. Work those things over on a flow bench with some port and polish work and you could be rockin. Back then you didn't have all the choices of aftermarket heads and the very few you did have, were high dollar. You didn't get a set of aftermarket aluminum heads $800-$1000 like you can today. More like $2000 all said and done fitted with all your valvetrain components.

 

[Kapdin]

these seem very legit! http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PAIR-35...800&&clkid=7054711152641023476&_qi=RTM1303752 down side.... heads $500, gaskets $85, shipping $115 then intake $200 so almost 1k said and done and maybe... 200hp? while jegs has this and warranty!http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/10067353/10002/-1?parentProductId=752506

 

[Jims86]

these seem very legit! http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PAIR-35...800&&clkid=7054711152641023476&_qi=RTM1303752 down side.... heads $500, gaskets $85, shipping $115 then intake $200 so almost 1k said and done and maybe... 200hp? while jegs has this and warranty!http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/10067353/10002/-1?parentProductId=752506

Try mid to upper 200's outta da box.
But there is a difference betwix 062 and 906 vortecs.
906 had the inconal seats...ok for a truck, not good for someone who intends to have further headwork done...for that, you want 062s with the three angle vaalve job.