R12 recharge from high side?

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I recently picked up a half full 30# container of R12. The label on the container says only to use it on the inverted position. Is it ok to charge on the high side? I have a scale and can measure the charge.
I'm having a hard time finding any R12 in smaller cans close by and I really don't want to switch to R134A.
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System high side will be higher than the bottle. Charge low side only and to be safe upright. Will take longer but no chance of flooding compressor.
 

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System high side will be higher than the bottle. Charge low side only and to be safe upright. Will take longer but no chance of flooding compressor.
Thanks for the reply. I watched a YouTube video and the guy said it can be done with the engine off but he didn't recommend it.
Any idea why the 30# container would say inverted only?
 

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Most recycling machines cans are inverted. Refrigerant is dispensed in a manner that won't harm the system.

System can be under vacuum and partially charged from both high and low side. Then close high side, start vehicle and complete the refill. Just a faster way of doing the job.
 

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when you charge the car, it should be inverted anyway, where the hose that is feeding the car or a/c machine is on the bottom.
Car off, it doesn't matter that much, you can charge from the high side, low side, both at the same time if you want. Default on the r-134a Robinair machine is charge high and low side at the same time. I typically charge only from the low side since it has lower pressure and clowns at work typically don't keep the a/c machine charged up so its just easier if the machine doesn't have that much left in it.. But when the car is running, no I would not charge from the high side as the pressures are probably higher than the tank has inside of it.
 

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But when the car is running, no I would not charge from the high side as the pressures are probably higher than the tank has inside of it.
Thanks, Exactly what I have been reading. Vehicle not running, tank inverted (liquid) and open the valve slowly...and only partially open.
 

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My concern would be this: Is it really R-12 in that tank? Half full used tank almost sounds to me like it could have been used with a refrigerant recovery machine. If thats the case, it could be a mix of whatever the customers of that shop claimed was in their systems....
 

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My concern would be this: Is it really R-12 in that tank? Half full used tank almost sounds to me like it could have been used with a refrigerant recovery machine. If thats the case, it could be a mix of whatever the customers of that shop claimed was in their systems....

Good point....maybe I should start reading threads on R134A conversion.
 

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Good point....maybe I should start reading threads on R134A conversion.
Alot of times I am in a similar situation thinking I'm a half can of r12 away from working ac (or whatever similar problem)

It's normally a half can of r12 away from working ac for a few minutes and then having to upgrade to r134a when I realize I was never a half can of r12 away lol.

I would just look at the upgrade and get an idea just in case you aren't a half can of r12 away.
 

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Well, I did charge from the high side...tank inverted, truck not running, vacuum on system. I stopped when the r12 flow slowed down, I was about 11ozs from full. I am getting cold air, about 54 degrees. I am looking for a small can of R12 to finish on the low side and hopefully get the vent temp around 40.
 

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Pbcasterlin: I have and 87 R1500 262, 98 SL1, 06 Kia Sedona on which I've been managing a/c issues for a number of years. Converted the '87 to R134 about 10 years ago with simple flush (need to rinse out pump of mineral oil and replenish with PAG100), new dryer (134 rated), stock orifice tube and recharge by weight to 80% of R12 capacity. Charged thru low pressure port (next to dryer) with engine off. Recharge went smoothly with bottle upside down (delivering liquid). Worked fine. Had to repeat procedure about 6 years ago after factory original compressor (r4) gave up at about 75,000 miles. 'New' compressor gave up a couple of weeks ago. Replaced per above process and now working fine. I've used this procedure (except for R134 conversion) on the Saturn and two Sedonas before this one with satisfactory results.

I've got some original hoses on hte '87 shedding gunk into the system. Found a shop about 30 miles away that refurbishes a/c hose assemblies. I'm going to try one of the 'rising star' R134 replacements (actually a mix of butane and propane). The thermal dynamics are compatible with existing hardware. It's compatible with PAG oil (so no flush). A full chage by weight is considerably lower than for R134 for the same cooling effects. Best to charge by pressure (or temperature as described bewlo) with the engine running. Will post the outcome of my experience.

Interestingly enough, the butane/propane mix was a shade-tree mechanic's option back when I was a kid with the usual admonitions from the sage-mechanics about functionality and safety. There WAS a valid functionality issue . . . over the counter gasses are 'poluted' with mercaptan, stuff that makes it 'stink' so you detect leaks with your nose. See https://tinyurl.com/296cg8hw I'm told that sulfur in this stuff does long term damage to your system's aluminum innards. Now, about 60 years later, the same mix of refrigerants is being offered on a large scale . . . pure gas that doesn't stink. We shall see.

By the way, another way to charge your '87 is by temperature at the low pressure line before it enters the dryer. You want just enough refrigerant to bring that line down to 35-40 degrees . . . that's what an expansion valve does for you in a more modern system . . . just enough liquid in the evaporator to avoid freezing. You can buy thermocouple thermometers with tube clamps really reaonable on eBay et. als. See https://tinyurl.com/TCMeter Since you're working so close to the 'freezing barrier' you check your thermometer against an ice bath to check its calibration then adjust your target temp appropriately for charging. You could get a type K tube clamp but the stock probe works fine. Tape the tip to the ouside of your suction line just outside the evaporator box with several layers of electrical tape. I leave one permanently installed and coiled up when not inuse just to check the health of the system. The probes are cheap off amazon. I've got about a dozen. You can use this to monitor your a/c outflow temperature too.
 

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