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use fuel injection hose clamps, use the ID of the hose as the OD of the tubing, flare the end on the pipe, dont make a sharp turn, and dont make the sections long.
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use the fuel line clamps NOT worm clamps, and oppose one clamp to the other, and have that all behind the flare. This will prevent it from popping off and from ruining the hose. YOu can repair leaky crimped OEM cooler lines where the barrels/hose leak but the metal isnt rusted out, YOu just flare the end and slip a hose on, clamp opposed.
Make sure to use transmission cooler/power steering hose SAE j1019 hose
I highly recommend using sunsong low pressure hydraulic hose for this job, because its got a tough exterior wrap that helps prevent damage, and prevent kinks/wear/ keep sturdy.

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Yah, 2 or MORE, like you posted might be OK and is definitely the cheapest rout. (I just don't trust or recommend them anymore).

On my lawnmower, instead of a wire ring or a hardened metal split ring, guess a person might bend the rule if out of stainless crimp rings?

The iWiss ring Pex crimper is effective. Nothing leaks, if you take your time and crimp without the hose cutting. Somewhat tamper resistant too.
Nobody can crawl under there and loosen one or two of those up, without it being obvious it was cut or bent up on purpose.
If it drips, crimp a lil' bit more?

Crimper works for temporary hydraulics repairs too. With three rings and the correct lines, you can handle a lot of pressure, in a pinch before you call for a new $$$$ factory line.

When I read the words MADE IN USA on those screw type fuel line clamps, I'll recommend for automotive use on carbs.

The plastic parts in the Doorman compression fitting mean they are most likely NOT for rubber hose.
Plastic GM Fuel lines over the manifold on GMT400 engines use quick connect solid plastic lines.
You can use a cheap solution like that on solid plastic lines ONLY.
A metal hard line would use a brass part in the compression brass fitting ferrule. Using these near bend sections of plastic is sketchy.
The heat they use to shape plastic lines deforms the hard hose, same as bending hard metal lines.
They tend to need repairs where these defects in the lines have caused it to crack or break.

As you tighten a compression fitting the wall of the tubing requires symmetry and a solid surface or the white compression plastic part will deform as you tighten on rubber or deformed plastic hose. The more you tighten, the more it will miss align and eventually leak.

Is that a $35.00 stainless T-Bolt Band Clamp on the stock radiator hose?
Or is your radiator turbo charged! (Huge fan of over-kill. It's really under-rated).
Just teasin' AuroraGirl. (It is maxed out though).
LOLOL!
 
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Yah, 2 or MORE, like you posted might be OK and is definitely the cheapest rout. (I just don't trust or recommend them anymore).

On my lawnmower, instead of a wire ring or a hardened metal split ring, guess a person might bend the rule if out of stainless crimp rings?

The iWiss ring crimper is effective. Nothing leaks, if you take your time and crimp without the hose cutting. Somewhat tamper resistant too.
Nobody can crawl under there and loosen one or two of those up, without it being obvious it was cut or bent up on purpose.
If it drips, crimp a lil' bit more?

Crimper works for temporary hydraulics repairs too. With three rings and the correct lines, you can handle a lot of pressure, in a pinch before you call for a new $$$$ factory line.

When I read the words MADE IN USA on those screw type fuel line clamps, I'll recommend for automotive use on carbs.

The plastic parts in the Doorman compression fitting mean they are most likely NOT for rubber hose.
Plastic GM Fuel lines over the manifold on GNT400 engines use quick connect solid plastic lines.
You can use a cheap solution like that on solid plastic lines ONLY.
As you tighten a compression fitting the wall of the tubing requires symmetry and a solid surface or the white compression plastic part will deform as you tighten on rubber hose. The more you tighten, the more it will miss align and eventually leak.

Is that a $35.00 stanless T-Bolt Band Clamp on the stock radiator hose?
Or is your radiator turbo charged! (Huge fan of over-kill. It's really under-rated).
Just teasin' AuroraGirl. (It is maxxed out though).
LOLOL!
It was a 5-15 dollar T bolt (not the proper size tho) from Farm and Fleet in the Ag section because my Original Mubea (constant tension) clamp was rusted and was actually failing to seal after installing the hose on the thermostat housing. lol. Just the one, the others are still in use.

to be clear on the PS repair I was refering to these:
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They do make ones that are made in the USA, just have to google it. Just I would prefer to keep this style clamp on ps line or a trans cooler line to be serviceable and not require installing new clamps are removing permanent one
 

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These style, (not necessarily endorsing this brand rings), is what I use and recommend for TBI, however the investment on a carb'ed fuel system is very much worth it:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCYLCCXL/
$19.99
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These are SAE sizes for PEX, which has a standardized wall thickness. These are imported with a range of SAE sizes.
The trick is to clamp as much as possible without bottoming out the crimp or crushing and therefore cutting the outer layer of low/high pressure fuel lines.

This is the crimper that works for me:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWR4T6Q/
$21.98
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The crimper, (please buy the one with the gauge), is adjustable with a go gauge for resetting to the exact crimp specs for the size pipe or hose you work with. I use it for a lot of other things besides my fuel lines. Water hose repairs with the larger size rings, vacuum seals with the tiny ones and silicone hose, Electrical wire shielding, when adding a layer of rubber insulation or metal shielding to a wire protection protocol, especially where e-tape would not hold up to abrasion. This is the tool to install OEM boots on your CV joints, instead of the home owner weak sauce clamps they send you in the DIY boot repair kits, (which are junk fold back clamps that leak water into your CV Joints).

Shop Compressor air lines, at the ranch?
How many leaking stoopid 1/2" hose clamps on 3/8" air hose, have I replaced?
All of them.
Who cares if the ranch compressor burns up or gets full of water all winter?
It ain't my problem, (or my money to replace it), right?

This set of crimps, offers metric sizes, which may offer better crimp/seal ratio on rubber hose with nominal ID and variable OD.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XJB5D6L/
$23.00
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You don't want to bottom out a high pressure fuel line crimp before it reaches a solid seal.
You alternatively, do not want to under-crimp, by using too small of an un-crimped ring, which does not crush less than half the crush capacity of the range of the clamp. It's important to discuss range of clamping size: 13.3mm - 11.3mm, anywhere beyond 12.8mm would probably be OK, because the ring has to fit over the rubber hose. The clamp has to function within a range of use. Close to maxed out is better, without cutting or deforming the outer layer of rubber fuel line. It's not exact, but it is very reliable when performed without a beverage in hand and careful crimps.

What happens on the INSIDE of a repaired metal line, also MATTERS... so keep reading!

2-3 of these, offsetting the crimp, if possible, is very reliable on 35-85 psi Fuel lines. Try to add a lump in the line or slight flair to the end with a filed edge, so the tubing does not cut the inner layer during the crimping process. Diamond files to the inner fuel line and outer flared edges are what is required to succeed. It's detailed work. You'll need your magnifying lenses, if your eyes are getting like mine, to perform it correctly.

Just remember, if the crimp looks like the space between the clamp is no where near maxed out, it requires using an alternative SAE or MM ring size, so a majority of the crimp space allowed, is used, for best clamping ratio.

Posted a lot of TBI and EFI fuel line info before.
Look up WarHawk in the search or click on my sig for the threads regarding modding your carb to TBI or EFI or safety recommendations for any fuel system upgrade.

You do NOT have to buy all of these assortment packs to fix your engine fuel system.
Buy the sizes in smaller packs that match the diameter of the exact lines you want to fix.
The tool is the upfront cost and very worth it. My power steering lines never leak, since using this tool on my engine.
I bought the swivel style brass push on fittings with the yellow plastic ring, for the P/S Saginaw box, so I can wrench them off without twisting the lines, due to the crimps. It works great. No B/S, no leaks. The o-ring style modern 14mm P/S fittings have the tubing and these work great for that as well.
They even added the lump in the tubing for you!

Just cut the crimps off, replace the P/S lines with new-er rubber less than 5 years old and use these to replace the factory crimps.
It will work for A/C systems, in a pinch, as well. As the pressure rises, the number of extra crimps rises too.
Do NOT use these on Brake LINES, ever.
Do NOT use compression fittings on Brake Lines, EVER.

Do NOT use these for PLASTIC FUEL LINES EVER. Without the flare, they will slip under pressure, no matter how many you use!

If you have metal fuel lines that broke, you can flare slightly,
file to remove the burs and crimp a quality rubber line *** "to flex or re-rout the hard lines"****,
using donor tubing from any engine scrap pile,
so long as it is very close to diameter and not extremely oval-ed out from being too close to a bend.

The quality of the rings can and will vary, so measure twice and read the reviews on thickness and clamping quality.
Pex is the best $. SharkBite makes these too $. The metric version tends to be a bit thinner, so double up, when you can.

The video's in the WarHawk thread, which show a square body burning up in traffic from an improper fuel system plumbing leak; are worth the research.
Everything matters, all the time, especially in the rubber hose and fuel system of your SquareBody.

Give yourself a few extra inches of hose, so if you have to cut and repair, there's enough line for a few rebuilds or mods.
Bad crimps happen, plan for them. Re-order the one's you'll need to fix R&R the system, as you go?

*** Fuel line rubber gets out of date every five years.***
Re-read that, please?

Steel hard lines last much longer. Copper is NOT used for gasoline engines.

Change your carb or EFI or TBI rubber fuel line with date coded fuel line often, (every 5 years), for excellent results.
The barricade layer in EFI Gates Barricade is on you! Not Gates.
Neglecting the date codes on tires and fuel line will cost you more than you think.

My acquaintance in the rubber hydraulics lines for aviation once told me: "Once you get into the aviation rubber business, you never get out!"

If you cannot correctly go-gauge the tool mentioned in this thread or you have no experience crushing fuel lines with a crimper or measuring the diameter of new non-rotted fuel lines, seek professional help and dump your wallet out to perform these repairs to a reputable professional mechanic.

If it looks wrong or the hose is rotten, throw it out and do it again!
It's a hobby. You will fail and learn. Try not to burn up your truck during the learning curve?

My $0.02, YMMV

If you put those low quality Chicom fuel clamps in my old, low pressure fuel system, in my aircraft; I would hunt you!
 
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I used Jeg's Pro-Flo nylon braided hose with AN fittings from my fuel pump to the pressure regulator and carb. It's a little easier to work with than SS braided line. It will cut easier than SS. You have to secure it and keep it from rubbing against other components. It is NHRA accepted for use on race cars, it's probably ok for an old truck. I would never use copper tubing on anything automotive. I agree you should replace rubber hoses and lines due to heat , ozone damage etc. But who really does? Things that make you go hmmm.
 

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Well, these revelations are concerning. This weekend I just changed all the fuel lines on the pump, return and carb while I was deleting the chitty glass and chrome fuel filter to put in a Wix 3003. I see now I will have to buy the hardline from LMC and do a proper repair and delete the rubber line to the carb. Oh and I used the worm drive clamps because what it had was a mix of worm and OE style clips... I love doing things twice.
 

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I'll take a different perspective. Stay with the rubber hose. The sooner it leaks and burst into flames the sooner you can do the LS swap. Then you can run a new line up the firewall and use a short piece of braided stainless to the back of the engine straight to the fuel rails. Genius :33:
 

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Odd man out here. I've been using name brand fuel hose (like Gates) forever. I've also used SAE 30R7 and 30R9 EFI hose. Both types have served me well for many years with no ill effects.

Found this: SAE 30R9 hose is designed for use with EFI systems that use hose clamps and have working pressures of 100 PSI and up. It features a fluoroelastomer inner liner that can handle all types of fuel including oxidized gasoline, diesel, methanol, and ethanol-blend fuels. SAE 30R9 hose also resists fuel permeation so it’s emissions-legal. I'd be surprised if this type hose (if American made) ever got brittle and cracked like hoses that were the industry standard for decades.

The good stuff! I think this is a photo of the 50psi 30R7 version, not the 100psi 30R9 mentioned above. But both are superior to old school hoses.
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I currently have a piece of 3/8" steel brake line bent to fit.
It already had a flare on the end..
I had do tighten the living heck out of the nut to get it to stop leaking.....
But OK for now.
 

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I currently have a piece of 3/8" steel brake line bent to fit.
It already had a flare on the end..
I had do tighten the living heck out of the nut to get it to stop leaking.....
But OK for now.
3/8ths steel brake line is also 3/8ths steel fuel line,which is also 3/8ths steel transmission line. It's all steel tubing with flares. I went to the parts store, said I need 3/8ths steel tubing as close to 35inches long as you have got. He says what for. Fuel feed from pump to carbureator,he says we don't have it. I said it's right behind you,the reply was that's brake line. Okay give me a 35 inch brake line. Thank you.
 
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3/8ths steel brake line is also 3/8ths steel fuel line,which is also 3/8ths steel transmission line. It's all steel tubing with flares. I went to the parts store, said I need 3/8ths steel tubing as close to 35inches long as you have got. He says what for. Fuel feed from pump to carbureator,he says we don't have it. I said it's right behind you,the reply was that's brake line. Okay give me a 35 inch brake line. Thank you.
why are you piping 3/8th fuel lines, that sounds like it would require to be stepped down to evern put a fitting for whatever it connects to on
Unless im misremembering how big brake lines are
 

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3/8ths steel brake line is also 3/8ths steel fuel line,which is also 3/8ths steel transmission line. It's all steel tubing with flares. I went to the parts store, said I need 3/8ths steel tubing as close to 35inches long as you have got. He says what for. Fuel feed from pump to carbureator,he says we don't have it. I said it's right behind you,the reply was that's brake line. Okay give me a 35 inch brake line. Thank you.
Honestly I think we need a thread about “that one time I went to the auto parts store “…
 

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