Daughters ‘87 needs to ride smooth.

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mlparkey

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My 1986 C10 Silverado rides as smooth and quiet as any passenger car. Tires make a huge difference in ride quality. I have 2 sets of wheels and tires that I run on the truck. I have the original 15"× 8" Rally wheels with 235/75 -15 all season radials and I have a set of 225/50 -20 on aftermarket rims. I keep the pressure around 35psi. The 15's ride a little smoother because there is more sidewall to absorb bumps. I have stock coil springs and shocks in front with all new control arm bushings and ball joints. I'm also running 2 1/2" drop spindles. I have stock springs in the rear that I removed 3 leaves from for a lower stance. That also makes for a much softer ride. Regular street tires will make a huge difference.
 

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My daughter is taking her 87 tbi off to college soon. We have replaced front end including tie rods, pitman, idler, ball joints(upper/lower) front brake disks, rear drums. We also put on Monroe OE stock shocks for safety at the time. This truck rides like int on the farm, even on smooth hwy. Please give me a build sheet on how to smooth it out. Front springs still need replaced a the leaf springs too. Looking for a reasonably priced, smooth ride only, no show stopper. PLEASE HELP! Which shocks, springs and leafs would make this a comfortable ride? Thank you all.
As her truck is 2WD, the front springs should be pretty soft for a truck. The rear springs, if you want a smooth ride, should be 4-leaf packs. If it has 7 leafs each, you need to swap them out for the 4 leaf packs. Also, use factory-spec tires, as they are fairly low pressure tires. That is just about the only thing you can do, as these trucks were never intended to ride like Cadillacs.
 

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put some weight in the bed and you'll be good! Personally, I enjoy hitting them potholes and being flung up in my seat but, hey that's preference. I have a '79 K10 with a rear tank that I put in between the frame rails, and when I fill that up, it rides pretty smooth, alongside all the crap I got in my toolbox.
 

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So called experts and the issue of tires and tire pressure drive me nuts. For example:

(1) I've had cars that ran the exact same tire sizes a van or pickup ran. Without even having a load in them, there will be nearly a half ton difference in the weight of the two rigs. Regardless, so called experts, ALL, claim 34 PSI is right.

(2) Only a few short years ago, it was claimed 28 PSI was the ideal air pressure for radial tires. It STILL says as much on the door of my 03 Ranger.

No sane, knowledgeable person would run that pressure on that Ranger, or most other rigs, unless they were driving an old, glass body VW dune buggy. In the sand. [To be fair, that Ranger has, what, a 150 pound load limit? ;)

(3) The one-size-fits-all air pressure garbage ignores that one car commutes, daily, with a 140 pound driver and no passengers, another carries two overweight adults that meet the load limit of a Ford Ranger, and yet another carries five workers to the job site every day.

(4) How about the tire expert at the store selling air bags? The one who said I couldn't run them on my Twinky Mobile (an old Hostess Step Van with all the decals yet in place), because they couldn't support the weight I planned on hauling. He just couldn't comprehend the fact the air bags complement existing suspension and the two work together, just like on Greyhound buses and Kenworths that run them.

(5) Then there is that experts at tire stores don't know terms like, "lug centric" or "wheel centric," and why you have to kick the hell out of the tires on my Grumman step van to get the wheels off the hubs.

(6) And there is the "2 ply 4 ply rating," versus actual 4 ply or 6 ply tires, the latter which replaced those 4 ply wannabe's on my little cargo van. Aside the immediate change to a harder ride, the frequent winds no longer toss the little rig all over the road.

(7) Finally, at the declared perfect air pressure of 34 PSI, the outer treads of my SUV tires wore notably quicker (okay, 25,000 in) than the outsides, indicating a bump to 36 was in order. The correctness of that to be seen with this next set of tires. Maybe those little tire gauges are a good idea to have around after all.

In the end, tire stores could grab a whole lot more loyal customers if they educated their employees, and their customers to tire information relative to their rigs.

An addendum to the genius of "experts":

About 40 years ago, I put air lift shocks on my 69 C10 step side, to aid with the occasional loads. I knew nothing about that kind of shocks. I just knew I needed a bit of help with some loads.

The first thing I noticed was, crappier handling. I was real un-sold on the air-shock idea real quick. I had put a lot of effort into getting that old truck to handle very well/responsively.

Problems with those shocks were even notable on long, sweeping curves.

I scratched my head a bit. After all, people with master's degrees in relative fields designed those puppies.

After some thought on the matter, it dawned on me, the shocks came with a single fill point and T'd off. So, when airing the shocks, you aired both at the same time.

THAT MEANT air could move back and forth between the two shocks, as I drove down the road. THAT MEANT, for example, going around a left turn corner, all the weight of the truck was thrown onto the left shock, and that weight pushed the air out of the left shock into the right shock. THAT MEANT the left went lower than it should and the air pushed the right higher than it should.

THAT MEANT the engineers might have focused on convenance and, in the process, sorely compromised function.

I got another air line component and installed it, so I had to fill each shock separately. THAT made a night and day difference in how the truck handled from then on out. Said another way, I was, after the modification, happy with my air shocks.

It scares me to think how many air bags have been installed with convenience in mind at the expense of good function, resulting in people hating air bags, even as big rigs live by them.
 
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So called experts and the issue of tires and tire pressure drive me nuts. For example:

(1) I've had cars that ran the exact same tire sizes a van or pickup ran. Without even having a load in them, there will be nearly a half ton difference in the weight of the two rigs. Regardless, so call experts, ALL, claim 34 PSI is right.

(2) Only a few short years ago, it was claimed 28 PSI was the ideal air pressure for radial tires. It STILL says as much on the door of my 03 Ranger.

No sane, knowledgeable person would run that pressure, unless they were driving an old, glass body VW dune buggy. In the sand.

(3) The one-size-fits-all air pressure garbage ignores that one car commutes, daily, with a 140 pound driver and no passengers, another carries two overweight adults that meet the load limit of a Ford Ranger, and yet another carries five workers to the job site every day.

(4) How about the tire expert at the store selling air bags? The one who said I couldn't run them on my Twinky Mobile (an old Hostess Step Van with all the decals yet in place), because they couldn't support the weight I planned on hauling. He just couldn't comprehend the fact the air bags complement existing suspension and the two work together, just like on Greyhound buses and Kenworths that run them.

(5) Then there is that experts at tire stores don't know terms like, "lug centric" or "wheel centric," and why you have to kick the hell out of the tires on my Grumman step van to get the wheels off the hubs.

(6) And there is the "2 ply 4 ply rating," versus actual 4 ply or 6 ply tires, the latter which replaced those 4 ply wannabe's on my little cargo van. Aside the immediate change to a harder ride, the frequent winds no longer toss the little rig all over the road.

(7) Finally, at the declared perfect air pressure of 34 PSI, the outer treads of my SUV tires wore notably quicker (okay, 25,000 in) than the outsides, indicating a bump to 36 was in order. The correctness of that to be seen with this next set of tires. Maybe those little tire gauges are a good idea to have around after all.

In the end, tire stores could grab a whole lot more loyal customers if they educated their employees, and their customers to tire information relative to their rigs.
Firestone got a bad rap with their 721's because Ford marked the tire pressure lower to smooth the ride.

Safety note most people don't know, you get a blowout at speed, you need to mash the throttle! The vehicle wants to turn to the flat tire side because of the extra drag. Overcome this with throttle, an object in motion wants to say in motion. Then once you regain control, slow down and stop.

Many people let off the throttle, vehicle drives right off the road. Letting off the throttle quick is the worst thing you can do.
 

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Yep. Can that instinct to slow down.

Years ago (I was 40 or so years younger and crazier then), I was coming home from work in a snow storm. OUR usual route took us down a STEEP hill, with a 90 at the bottom. I stopped at the top and noted the Jeep and the station wagon in the field straight down the hill trying to figure out how to dig their way back out, after being unable to negotiate the slick mess on the slope, before the 90.

I looked at my buddy, contemplated my summer toboggans, passing for tires on my truck, and said, "I'm going for it." My truck got noisy. It was him, my fellow rider, expressing his countering opinion, but we were, by then, committed.

No problem. Until, problem.

I idled off at the start.

I had already made plans. Not necessarily good ones, but plans nonetheless. They were left at the top of that long, steep hill.

The guy in the Jeep, and the guy in wagon, watched. I'm pretty sure, with opinions, and they were about me.

Though I suspect my fellow rider was an unconfessed atheist, he was uttering what seemed to be loud prayers. They may have been spiced up with both curse words and my name. Regardless, they were distracting. I needed to concentrate, because the wheels had already locked up, due to the engine compression and slickness of the steep slope. I, already, had gone to second. Even second over. Each time, the problem repeated. The wheels went through varying degrees of locking up.

Plans can change. Mine did. Probably, several times (see paragraph six, above). Near the end of that adventure, they went to, if there was enough room to park between the wagon and Jeep.

For a brief moment, I was sucked in by the clear look of impending doom both the previous failed-curve-negotiators showed. Both, likely, wondered which of the two, if not both, I was going to park on (or in).

After a brief moment of contemplation [of those facial expressions], I went through a couple more gears (I had six - it was a 62 wagon transmission with overdrive and the overdrive was at my finger tip, atop the Hurst, T-handle shifter).

I didn't panic. Well, I quit going there, because I didn't have time for it.

I don't remember the exact gearing I resorted to, but do remember, as I neared the point of park-or-go, going back down. Say to third under, accelerating then using the new found and questionable control to aim my right front tire for the ditch edge, which rounded the corner.

It actually went pretty smooth. We went around that corner like I knew what I was doing, and all was well in Bremerton, Washington, again.

As I moved down the road, I glanced in my mirror and saw the wagon guy on the roof of his car, applauding. The Jeep guy was too, but from the ground.

I told my friend I wanted to go again. He fainted.
 
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