Trouble Installing New Engine

[yevgenievich]

I used moroso solid mounts on a 67 camaro And it fought pretty hard. Took couple of hours to get both to go it. Sometimes it also take applying rotational or other force from the sides

 

[mrburitto]

I figured it out! The actual solution. Thank you everyone for your help. I wonder if this is the same reason so many other people have been in the same predicament, prying like their life depended on it lol. I would have made it to work with force too. I could already get within 1/4 inch from prying and ratchet straps. One more prybar and one more jack would have done the trick.

Turns out I completely forgot about the old emissions brackets that were there for the EGR hoses. They are little plates that go on between the clamshell and the block. I had totally written them off and forgotten about them when i pulled my old engine because they were emissions stuff and I threw them in the corner lol.

Luckily @Vbb199 helped me remember

Let me know if you think this theory is correct. Seems like in the late 70's when they first started putting out EGR systems, they needed a plate there as a mount for the hoses. So they must have made a slightly shorter clamshell for these years. We know the mounts on the frame are in the same spot and they didnt rework the whole frame.

So it has to be that they made shorter clamshells for these early emissions vehicles. I cant believe how much Google searching I did and I didnt find a single post about those damn EGR plates... Can we sticky this if everyone agrees?

 

[shiftpro]

I figured it out! The actual solution. Thank you everyone for your help. I wonder if this is the same reason so many other people have been in the same predicament, prying like their life depended on it lol. I would have made it to work with force too. I could already get within 1/4 inch from prying and ratchet straps. One more prybar and one more jack would have done the trick.

Turns out I completely forgot about the old emissions brackets that were there for the EGR hoses. They are little plates that go on between the clamshell and the block. I had totally written them off and forgotten about them when i pulled my old engine because they were emissions stuff and I threw them in the corner lol.

Luckily @Vbb199 helped me remember

Let me know if you think this theory is correct. Seems like in the late 70's when they first started putting out EGR systems, they needed a plate there as a mount for the hoses. So they must have made a slightly shorter clamshell for these years. We know the mounts on the frame are in the same spot and they didnt rework the whole frame.

So it has to be that they made shorter clamshells for these early emissions vehicles. I cant believe how much Google searching I did and I didnt find a single post about those damn EGR plates... Can we sticky this if everyone agrees?

I'm glad you figured it out.
I'm not sure which brackets your talking about, but my eyes don't see any emission details other than crap that is in my way of living my life... so it's gets removed and I never look back.
And if I understand what your describing, these brackets were contacting the block? Where are they, down on the frame? Trying to figure out why you couldn't see these in the way. Thanks. Again I'm glad your resolved, now get that mill up and running and hopefully with no more drama!

 

[mrburitto]

I'm glad you figured it out.
I'm not sure which brackets your talking about, but my eyes don't see any emission details other than crap that is in my way of living my life... so it's gets removed and I never look back.
And if I understand what your describing, these brackets were contacting the block? Where are they, down on the frame? Trying to figure out why you couldn't see these in the way. Thanks. Again I'm glad your resolved, now get that mill up and running and hopefully with no more drama!

No, they were plates that went on between the clamshell and the block. So they weren't interfering, them not being there, was making it so that the clamshells were too short to reach the mount. Here are those brackets before I trimmed them down. The long side would stick out from behind the clamshell like a tab to hold the EGR hose

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[mrburitto]

So they act like spacers that make the clamshells stick out further. Thats why I said they must have made the clamshells for these years shorter to accommodate these "spacers"

 

[shiftpro]

No, they were plates that went on between the clamshell and the block. So they weren't interfering, them not being there, was making it so that the clamshells were too short to reach the mount. Here are those brackets before I trimmed them down. The long side would stick out from behind the clamshell like a tab to hold the EGR hose

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Oh well I get it now, dang. Thanks for clarity... now I know. Will I remember...haha.

 

[Doppleganger]

I have those same plates between the clam shells and the block but on mine, those back holes are to hang bars from the motor to the transmission case.....for torque?

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[mrburitto]

What??! Mine only ever held up the EGR hoses before I deleted it. I remember thinking that seems like a lot of bracketry for a hose LOL. PO must have removed them and never put them back in

And of course i went and cut them down to the size of the clamshell last night... damnit I coulda used that

 

[WP29P4A]

3 lessons I relearned from this post, First lesson is taking pictures before taking it apart is a great idea, second lesson is taking parts off and tossing them in a corner or throwing them away just because you don't know what they are is not always a good idea. (yes, I have done this also) If you have to use jacks, several pry bars, chains, levers, condoms and lube to Force the engine to fit on the mounts, that is your red flag indicating that something is not correct, not an indicator that you need a bigger hammer.

And aluminum heads with bright blue rockers look really nice.

 

[SquareRoot]

I have those same plates between the clam shells and the block but on mine, those back holes are to hang bars from the motor to the transmission case.....for torque?

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Yup. I got em too. Nothing to do with emissions

 

[DanMcG]

Glad you figured it out!

 

[85 Squarebody76]

Yup. I got em too. Nothing to do with emissions

I believe the bars from the motor mounts to the lower half cast trans bell housing are there to support the trans and stop it from flexing on the back of the motor and causing transmission front seal leaks and or front bushing and front pump failure in the transmission..