Headers for economy on 82 K10?

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A higher temp thermostat could slightly improve efficiency.

Especially if there's one of those stupid lower than factory temp units installed.

A hotter motor makes more power too.
 

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Anyone daily driving a squarebody and legitimately concerned about fuel consumption is best off to consider the following things.
1. Drive like you're in a funeral procession.
2. Resist the urge to turn the key as much as possible.
3. Buy something that gets better mileage.
 

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The biggest bumps for me were PFI and the Nv4500. At 1000-2000 miles a year, it'll take forever for those two items to pay themselves off.
 

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I have headers and dual 2.5" exhaust. I'd gladly GIVE you the entire system so I can redo it to something more practical. I'm seriously contemplating some "decent" (whatever that means?) cast manifolds, two into one crossover pipe, a high-flow convertor and single 3 inch exhaust out the back. Ask yourself this; How often am I going to cruise around at 4000 rpm?

No more burnt plug wires, shorty spark plugs, stinky A** fumes, clearance issues and extra dead weight. Sounds a lot like my ex...lol
 

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I used manifolds off a 87 the flow just as good as headers in a stock situation.
 

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Run what you have access to manifolds flow well, the ram horn style flow a little better. I picked up a fancy set of 50 state legal shorties from Edelbrock. But I only picked them up because I have a Edelbrock top end and fuel pump and wanted everything to match. In retrospect, long tubes flow more everywhere=HP/TQ/MPG; but may not provide as much ground clearance. If you do come to the dark side, make sure you use a high quality set of locking header bolts, and make sure you are confident swinging a ballpein hammer to get the spark plug clearance you want. Be sure to true them up pre install. And don't drop oil on any ceramic coating - ask me how I know. If you stay with manifolds, I have had good luck with powder coating or even 2 stage PPG turns out sharp.
I think I am just going to leave it alone for now. If I get headers I am going to fit them, take them back off, the wrap them and reinstall. And use dead soft copper gaskets.
 

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I have probably a million miles driving carbureted trucks of various sizes with manual trannys, from a 1961 Ford C-600 to 1980s GMCs with the last of the carbureted 366s. We leased one that actually had a Holley 4 barrel and tubular headers new from the factory. They made a bunch with square bore Holleys and headers in the late 80s on straight trucks, dump trucks etc. I am pretty good and driving economically. I am wondering if there is anything I can do mechanically short of installing an overdrive which would basically never pay for itself on this truck.
Sorry about being late to the thread. I almost commented last night, but didn't realize you were looking for general economy advice as well.
I have headers and dual 2.5" exhaust. I'd gladly GIVE you the entire system so I can redo it to something more practical. I'm seriously contemplating some "decent" (whatever that means?) cast manifolds, two into one crossover pipe, a high-flow convertor and single 3 inch exhaust out the back. Ask yourself this; How often am I going to cruise around at 4000 rpm?

No more burnt plug wires, shorty spark plugs, stinky A** fumes, clearance issues and extra dead weight. Sounds a lot like my ex...lol
On the exhaust note. This the above quote is what to do, and what I have, or pretty close. Stock manifolds, stock down pipes, to high flow cat, 3" mid-pipe, single high flow muffler (note high flow does not have to be loud!), so in my case I picked a large oval muffler, with dual 2" outlets both exiting on the D/S. If you go dual, a cross over pipe is required. I large single is cheaper, and better mannered.

I think I am just going to leave it alone for now. If I get headers I am going to fit them, take them back off, the wrap them and reinstall. And use dead soft copper gaskets.
If you want advice on stuff to help you out in the mileage department and cheap enough to pay for itself I give my 2 cents. First you gotta think about how long it'll take to pay for itself, if your only doing it for mileage. Obvious make sure the carb isn't running rich. You should have a properly functioning heat riser and thermac, those work together in part to allow a lean or quicker choke pull off reducing the amount of time the choke is on will help your mileage, unless you only start it cold once or twice a week you.

Distributor: Make sure the timing is set properly the vacuum advance is working and that the mechanical advance isn't sticking.

Besides reducing combustion chamber temperatures, an EGR valve opens up at cruise and replace some of the mixture with exhaust gas which can't be burned, because it's already been burned. Therefore a properly working EGR valve can help.

Unless you spend a lot of money the mileage will always be not great, but even small improvements in these trucks can be noticeable.
For me I've chosen to drive my Jeep to work a few days a week instead of the truck, but again buying a commuter car, just for the sake of being a commuter car is impractical due to the cost of purchasing, maintaining and insuring the vehicle. But again if you have something already even if it only gets a few miles per gallon better than the truck, it can help since you already own it.

That's my take anyway.
 

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I used manifolds off a 87 the flow just as good as headers in a stock situation.
Manifolds in '87 didn't have the ports for the air injection off the smog pump??? What years had the air injection system?
 

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Dorman Part # 674-231 and 674-158
 

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I have probably a million miles driving carbureted trucks of various sizes with manual trannys, from a 1961 Ford C-600 to 1980s GMCs with the last of the carbureted 366s. We leased one that actually had a Holley 4 barrel and tubular headers new from the factory. They made a bunch with square bore Holleys and headers in the late 80s on straight trucks, dump trucks etc. I am pretty good and driving economically. I am wondering if there is anything I can do mechanically short of installing an overdrive which would basically never pay for itself on this truck.


I reckon headers would do the trick inside of 90 days. If you choose two mufflers over one, ou owe it to yourself to install a balance pipe between the two, which will serve to ENHANCE the effect.

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@SirRobyn0 I am not sure if my EGR valve is functional, it is not hooked up to a vacuum source and the Thermoswitch or whatever it is on the Thermostat housing isn't hooked up either. I would have to do some research to see what I need to get it working.
 

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You could also just chitcan it and drop in an LS. One and done, moving on.
 

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@SirRobyn0 I am not sure if my EGR valve is functional, it is not hooked up to a vacuum source and the Thermoswitch or whatever it is on the Thermostat housing isn't hooked up either. I would have to do some research to see what I need to get it working.
The best way is to look at vacuum diagrams and set up the EGR valve the way the factory had it, but if there are check valves missing or the thermoswitch is inop, you can connect the EGR vacuum hose to ported vacuum. The problem with that is that the EGR will open when the engine is cold, which might lead to a little hesitation or bogging when it's cold and EGR comes on. However, it takes about 5 minutes to connect it directly to ported and I've done this both on personal vehicles and customer cars and in practice it worked out fine. Also before you do that it would be worth while to warm the truck up and apply vacuum to valve and see if the engine stumbles or stalls. If it does then the valve is working and your good to hook it up, if not you'll need to figure out if the valve is bad or if there is a clogged passage in the block. A fact that a lot of folks don't know is the EGR valve, also lowers NOx emissions in the exhaust. NOx is not nearly as bad for the environment as other gasses, but it is very good at damaging lung tissue. I'm not trying to be a tree hugger and exhaust is still bad for you even with an EGR valve I'm just mentioning this as often folks are not aware.
 

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The best way is to look at vacuum diagrams and set up the EGR valve the way the factory had it, but if there are check valves missing or the thermoswitch is inop, you can connect the EGR vacuum hose to ported vacuum. The problem with that is that the EGR will open when the engine is cold, which might lead to a little hesitation or bogging when it's cold and EGR comes on. However, it takes about 5 minutes to connect it directly to ported and I've done this both on personal vehicles and customer cars and in practice it worked out fine. Also before you do that it would be worth while to warm the truck up and apply vacuum to valve and see if the engine stumbles or stalls. If it does then the valve is working and your good to hook it up, if not you'll need to figure out if the valve is bad or if there is a clogged passage in the block. A fact that a lot of folks don't know is the EGR valve, also lowers NOx emissions in the exhaust. NOx is not nearly as bad for the environment as other gasses, but it is very good at damaging lung tissue. I'm not trying to be a tree hugger and exhaust is still bad for you even with an EGR valve I'm just mentioning this as often folks are not aware.
By ported vacuum you mean timed vacuum and not manifold vacuum correct? Time permitting I will get the Mytivac out and see if the valve is working. My heat riser is connected, not sure if the flapperdoodle (thermac?) is functioning properly. How can I test that? Just observe? I do know that it starts right up on the first turn of the key even in single digits and runs very well under all conditions even if it is down on power compared to older V8s I have owned. My 20+ years working on old Porsches didn't prep me for troubleshooting GM emissions systems. Could you possibly give me a basic idea of how the EGR system works? I appreciate your help.
 

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