Edelbrock 1405 carb running rich

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My biggest problem is small pieces, I don’t want to drop something down the intake. If all the small pieces are on the outside I’ll do it on the truck, if the jets aren’t the only thing inside carb I have to touch than I’ll take it off.
I tend to take my quadrajet off to do most anything. It only takes about 2-3 minutes to do it and its much easier to do things to it with the entire carb sitting on my bench
 

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My biggest problem is small pieces, I don’t want to drop something down the intake. If all the small pieces are on the outside I’ll do it on the truck, if the jets aren’t the only thing inside carb I have to touch than I’ll take it off.
Well anytime your working on a carb on the vehicle there is potential for that to happen. If you do it this time off the engine you'll not have as much risk. Btw egg cartoons make great holders for little carb parts and you can writing on the carton where things came from.
 

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I tend to take my quadrajet off to do most anything. It only takes about 2-3 minutes to do it and its much easier to do things to it with the entire carb sitting on my bench
I agree with this. Just because you can do it on the engine does not make it easiest, but we are each different too.
 

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Edelbrock is easier to take off than q-jet I figure, I’ll take it off I just didn’t want fuel to leak all over intake manifold
 

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After several days my calibration parts are finally delivered. I’m going to yank the carb off while I still have daylight and get into leaning out the jets. Also setting tdc.
 

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Update: I found a timing tab on the truck, can’t see it but a bare bit, sprayed with brake clean and colored on it with a silver sharpie to see better. It was way down behind water pump and you have to be in great, not good, but great lighting to see it. The metering rods were the factory ones and the jets I couldn’t see numbers on. I can’t remember which calibration kit I got but it came with 3 different sets of metering rods and 3 different sets of jets. I can’t find the article about the springs so I still have the carb apart, I can’t tell what the springs coming out are. I ended up going to a #28 I believe, 3 steps leaner cruise and 1 leaner power I believe. It was the only combination I saw I could make on the chart that gave a leaner on both power and cruise.
 

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u got the vac adv hooked to timed port u need the other port for manifold vacume
 

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Vacuum advance is hooked to ported vacuum, it’s personal preference. But I have it on the correct port.
 

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yes u have it on the correct port for timed adv, but u need manifold vac .
 

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u will be suprised at how mutch better the engine will run with your vac adv on full manifold vac
 

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Vacuum advance is hooked to ported vacuum, it’s personal preference. But I have it on the correct port.
Ported vacuum means you get no advance at idle and all the vacuum advance at high throttle. Manifold vacuum will give you the advance at idle and cruise that will help with mileage and drivability while still keeping it from detonation at full throttle. I would change to manifold vacuum, set the total timing at 3500rpm to ~34-35 degrees(with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged) and then see what happens. I bet it runs WAY better.
 

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I found this article while searching for good tech information on the comparison of ported vacuum versus manifold vacuum. I don't know the author so I can't give valid credit. ChevelleStuff.Net doesn't indorse either method and there is a lot of discussion as to which is better. So, I'll present the article and you, the reader, decide.

As many of you are aware, timing and vacuum advance is one of my favorite subjects, as I was involved in the development of some of those systems in my GM days and I understand it. Many people don't, as there has been very little written about it anywhere that makes sense, and as a result, a lot of folks are under the misunderstanding that vacuum advance somehow compromises performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. I finally sat down the other day and wrote up a primer on the subject, with the objective of helping more folks to understand vacuum advance and how it works together with initial timing and centrifugal advance to optimize all-around operation and performance.
TIMING AND VACUUM ADVANCE 101
The most important concept to understand is that lean mixtures, such as at idle and steady highway cruise, take longer to burn than rich mixtures; idle in particular, as idle mixture is affected by exhaust gas dilution. This requires that lean mixtures have "the fire lit" earlier in the compression cycle (spark timing advanced), allowing more burn time so that peak cylinder pressure is reached just after TDC for peak efficiency and reduced exhaust gas temperature (wasted combustion energy). Rich mixtures, on the other hand, burn faster than lean mixtures, so they need to have "the fire lit" later in the compression cycle (spark timing retarded slightly) so maximum cylinder pressure is still achieved at the same point after TDC as with the lean mixture, for maximum efficiency.
The centrifugal advance system in a distributor advances spark timing purely as a function of engine rpm (irrespective of engine load or operating conditions), with the amount of advance and the rate at which it comes in determined by the weights and springs on top of the autocam mechanism. The amount of advance added by the distributor, combined with initial static timing, is "total timing" (i.e., the 34-36 degrees at high rpm that most SBC's like). Vacuum advance has absolutely nothing to do with total timing or performance, as when the throttle is opened, manifold vacuum drops essentially to zero, and the vacuum advance drops out entirely; it has no part in the "total timing" equation.
At idle, the engine needs additional spark advance in order to fire that lean, diluted mixture earlier in order to develop maximum cylinder pressure at the proper point, so the vacuum advance can (connected to manifold vacuum, not "ported" vacuum - more on that aberration later) is activated by the high manifold vacuum, and adds about 15 degrees of spark advance, on top of the initial static timing setting (i.e., if your static timing is at 10 degrees, at idle it's actually around 25 degrees with the vacuum advance connected). The same thing occurs at steady-state highway cruise; the mixture is lean, takes longer to burn, the load on the engine is low, the manifold vacuum is high, so the vacuum advance is again deployed, and if you had a timing light set up so you could see the balancer as you were going down the highway, you'd see about 50 degrees advance (10 degrees initial, 20-25 degrees from the centrifugal advance, and 15 degrees from the vacuum advance) at steady-state cruise (it only takes about 40 horsepower to cruise at 50mph).
When you accelerate, the mixture is instantly enriched (by the accelerator pump, power valve, etc.), burns faster, doesn't need the additional spark advance, and when the throttle plates open, manifold vacuum drops, and the vacuum advance can returns to zero, retarding the spark timing back to what is provided by the initial static timing plus the centrifugal advance provided by the distributor at that engine rpm; the vacuum advance doesn't come back into play until you back off the gas and manifold vacuum increases again as you return to steady-state cruise, when the mixture again becomes lean.
The key difference is that centrifugal advance (in the distributor autocam via weights and springs) is purely rpm-sensitive; nothing changes it except changes in rpm. Vacuum advance, on the other hand, responds to engine load and rapidly-changing operating conditions, providing the correct degree of spark advance at any point in time based on engine load, to deal with both lean and rich mixture conditions. By today's terms, this was a relatively crude mechanical system, but it did a good job of optimizing engine efficiency, throttle response, fuel economy, and idle cooling, with absolutely ZERO effect on wide-open throttle performance, as vacuum advance is inoperative under wide-open throttle conditions. In modern cars with computerized engine controllers, all those sensors and the controller change both mixture and spark timing 50 to 100 times per second, and we don't even HAVE a distributor any more - it's all electronic.
Now, to the widely-misunderstood manifold-vs.-ported vacuum aberration. After 30-40 years of controlling vacuum advance with full manifold vacuum, along came emissions requirements, years before catalytic converter technology had been developed, and all manner of crude band-aid systems were developed to try and reduce hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust stream. One of these band-aids was "ported spark", which moved the vacuum pickup orifice in the carburetor venturi from below the throttle plate (where it was exposed to full manifold vacuum at idle) to above the throttle plate, where it saw no manifold vacuum at all at idle. This meant the vacuum advance was inoperative at idle (retarding spark timing from its optimum value), and these applications also had VERY low initial static timing (usually 4 degrees or less, and some actually were set at 2 degrees AFTER TDC). This was done in order to increase exhaust gas temperature (due to "lighting the fire late") to improve the effectiveness of the "afterburning" of hydrocarbons by the air injected into the exhaust manifolds by the A.I.R. system; as a result, these engines ran like crap, and an enormous amount of wasted heat energy was transferred through the exhaust port walls into the coolant, causing them to run hot at idle - cylinder pressure fell off, engine temperatures went up, combustion efficiency went down the drain, and fuel economy went down with it.
If you look at the centrifugal advance calibrations for these "ported spark, late-timed" engines, you'll see that instead of having 20 degrees of advance, they had up to 34 degrees of advance in the distributor, in order to get back to the 34-36 degrees "total timing" at high rpm wide-open throttle to get some of the performance back. The vacuum advance still worked at steady-state highway cruise (lean mixture = low emissions), but it was inoperative at idle, which caused all manner of problems - "ported vacuum" was strictly an early, pre-converter crude emissions strategy, and nothing more.
What about the Harry high-school non-vacuum advance polished billet "****-bang" distributors you see in the Summit and Jeg's catalogs? They're JUNK on a street-driven car, but some people keep buying them because they're "race car" parts, so they must be "good for my car" - they're NOT. "Race cars" run at wide-open throttle, rich mixture, full load, and high rpm all the time, so they don't need a system (vacuum advance) to deal with the full range of driving conditions encountered in street operation. Anyone driving a street-driven car without manifold-connected vacuum advance is sacrificing idle cooling, throttle response, engine efficiency, and fuel economy, probably because they don't understand what vacuum advance is, how it works, and what it's for - there are lots of long-time experienced "mechanics" who don't understand the principles and operation of vacuum advance either, so they're not alone.
Vacuum advance calibrations are different between stock engines and modified engines, especially if you have a lot of cam and have relatively low manifold vacuum at idle. Most stock vacuum advance cans aren’t fully-deployed until they see about 15” Hg. Manifold vacuum, so those cans don’t work very well on a modified engine; with less than 15” Hg. at a rough idle, the stock can will “dither” in and out in response to the rapidly-changing manifold vacuum, constantly varying the amount of vacuum advance, which creates an unstable idle. Modified engines with more cam that generate less than 15” Hg. of vacuum at idle need a vacuum advance can that’s fully-deployed at least 1”, preferably 2” of vacuum less than idle vacuum level so idle advance is solid and stable; the Echlin #VC-1810 advance can (about $10 at NAPA) provides the same amount of advance as the stock can (15 degrees), but is fully-deployed at only 8” of vacuum, so there is no variation in idle timing even with a stout cam.
For peak engine performance, drivability, idle cooling and efficiency in a street-driven car, you need vacuum advance, connected to full manifold vacuum. Absolutely. Positively. Don't ask Summit or Jeg's about it – they don’t understand it, they're on commission, and they want to sell "race car" parts.
Courtesy John Hinckley
Retired GM/Chrysler Engineer


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In this example of an Edelbrock aluminum carburetor, the MANIFOLD VACUUM port should be used for vacuum advance to the distributor and not the TIMED VACUUM for our Chevelles.
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Read everything posted, I’ll throw it on full manifold vacuum when I put the carb back on. It’s been around 15-20° here last few days and that’s cold in Tennessee. I never claimed you were wrong I’ve just always heard on the ported vacuum so it would advance with throttle but I reckon the old geezers aren’t always right. Does anyone on here know if the timing tab on my truck(the one straight up at 12’ oclock behind the water pump) is 0° at the end? I can’t read the numbers on jt and I don’t want to set the timing at 8-10btdc and it actually be 14, it doesn’t have a bigger “v” like my tbi, so is the end 0? Or do I need to try and find something to somehow clean it better than brake clean did.
 

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Alright either my timing tab is wrong or somethint isn’t right. Truck idles just fine right now, any kind of throttle input it sputters and pops. I got a timing light on the engine, vacuum advance disconnected and port plugged. It showed way advanced. Wayyy past the tab around an inch and a half off the tab, I retarded it down to back on the tab. I can’t see numbers but based off an image from google of a tab just like mine looks it would be around 10° btdc. The truck idles fine but any throttle input the truck sputters down pops and bangs. If I ease into throttle I can get it up a little in rpms but it starts backfiring out of both exhaust and carb. So is my distributor not functioning properly? With it at approximately 10° according to the tab the distributor looks straight to the engine. So it looks how I’d appear it being right but the truck runs terrible right now.
 

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Here is a video of me trying to keep the truck running. It idles, but poorly. Any throttle makes it die if you don’t pretty much instantly let off.
 

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