After market seatbelts are expensive... looking for other ideas

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Both driver and passenger seatbelts in my 77 GMC Sierra Grande are trash, the retractors aren't consistent and the belts are shredded. Rather than buy aftermarket belts I'm thinking of plundering a u-pull-it for some belts from a truck with similar cab dimensions (not expecting to find my truck). The electronics won't plug in and the dash will always tell me my seat belt isn't on, but are there any other issues with doing what I'm considering? It seems even if it doesn't look "stock" that a belt the right size that functions should do the job.
 

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I remember many moons ago a thousand miles away a U pull it kind of place with a huge wall of seat belts. Categorized by size and color. It was quite the thing, and I bet the safety nationalsocialists have done away with such a thing these days.

Do you know the lengths and ends you need?
 

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In the same boat. There are only a few [may be 1] companies that can make DOT certified belts. There is a liability concern apparently few want to assume. From my research there isn't a cheap fix, be glad to hear if there is. Did find a company that would replace belting and repair the retractor if needed but it was $150 for each retractor. Didn't include the belt sleeves or latches. Mine are the dual retractor design so $600 for the pair not counting the center set. I put off doing anything for now.
 

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From what I have gathered, 1977 and 76 possible had a unique set up ...

What color and what are you looking for ... I bought a set of 1977 beige for parts for my 1985 Blazer and that was stupid on my part. If these work for you I guarantee we can make a deal.

The Plastic house is cracked on one of the bases, but other than that I think they retract ... I do have the door retractor bolts even though the Picture does not show them.



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I need front seat belts for my '78 blazer and they are crazy expensive. Lmc has the best price at just under $300 for 2. I don't even aware them unless I see a cop I pull it over my chest. Not safe I know but, it's insane the prices they want.

I was looking for seat belts for my '69 c10. this guy wanted $300 for 50+ Year old seat belts. Seemed excessive. For that price I'm just going to upgrade to 3 point belt in the c10, safer anyway.
 

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I'm just looking for the seatbelt spring clip for inside the buckle. Can't seem to find one.
 

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Seat belt planet or seat belts plus. That was just a quick browse. I've been looking at them for a different car just haven't gotten serious yet. They sell universals,direct replacement and repair belts. I think the universals are going to be the cheap way out. Or like when my son was maybe 4 I got in the car and he had ratchet straps wrapped around him and his car seat,he said it was better because of how many he used. Dammit I wish I'd taken a pic. Trying to put up links,no luck.

These are direct fits not universals,the universals are cheaper.
 

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Or like when my son was maybe 4 I got in the car and he had ratchet straps wrapped around him and his car seat,he said it was better because of how many he used. Dammit I wish I'd taken a pic.
The kid knew more than you think. The belts that @rwjtexas posted are the GM type "B" buckles. Instead of replacing the millions of defective belts in all their vehicles, GM just settled out of court for all the wrongful death cases.

Anyone who wants seat belts that will not ever fail, buy a quality replacement.
 

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@Turbo4whl thanks for the update on the seatbelts I was not aware of this as most of the mid 80 Blazer's Surburban's and Jimmy's had this style .... for those restoring their vehicles with this style buckle .. any thoughts on replacements ?
 

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@Turbo4whl thanks for the update on the seatbelts I was not aware of this as most of the mid 80 Blazer's Surburban's and Jimmy's had this style .... for those restoring their vehicles with this style buckle .. any thoughts on replacements ?
Did you follow the kinks in post 7? What do you think. I think I'm going to use 1 of those 2.
 

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@Turbo4whl thanks for the update on the seatbelts I was not aware of this as most of the mid 80 Blazer's Surburban's and Jimmy's had this style .... for those restoring their vehicles with this style buckle .. any thoughts on replacements ?

The GM type "A" were all fine. They are non retractor early GM belts, no shoulder web. Better belts/buckles were in the GMT400 and GMT800 trucks. I don't know if they would bolt in a square. I think Rick has found you a solution.

Did you follow the kinks in post 7? What do you think. I think I'm going to use 1 of those 2.

These belts have to be better than our trucks that have the type B buckles.
 

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I am not sure what you consider crazy expensive but for being the lone safety feature in my truck, I found the prices through retrobelt not to be too terrible.

 

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I'm not very educated on the different types of retractors. I'm having a hard time finding a suitable explanation and/or video explaining it. I have read that our trucks OEM seatbelts have "dual retractors" and are superior to aftermarket "single retractors." I sort of get the "automatic" versus "emergency" type of function.

Anybody smarter than me can explain? Is automatic just for comfort, so one can move without being held against the seat, hence why they are never to be used for restraining baby seats? Why are the aftermarket seatbelts supposedly inferior? If its because they lack a function that does NOT apply in a squarebody truck (e.g. babyseat) then I'm ok with that.
 

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It's complicated. I may not be more intelligent than you... but I'll try to answer as best I can.

The firing system is powder active and is very dangerous in modern seat belts.
Many older trucks, which have been in accidents, have had the firing igniter's triggered.
The really old trucks, don't even have the firing system.
Which is why they will not return properly and fail to lock up correctly, when they get full of dirt from years of dusty roads.
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The powder is corrosive, after it is triggered, if you have the type with firing systems. Do not dispose of un-fired seat belt re-tractors into the trash or fire!
They are hazmat. You can become badly injured messing with them.

My Chevy truck and my 2009 Honda have seat belt webbing tied to stock hard mounts and stock belt webbing.
I grabbed extra hard mounts from various vehicles, so I have a supply of mounting options.

The hard mounts usually are stamped a rolled edge or plastic protection molded, so the straps, when folded and doubled over, through the small holes on the mounts and the belts, resist cutting.

All re-tractors are removed from every used vehicle I own. That's my fix. It is not my fault if you try this and you get hurt or the person in your passenger seat is hurt while driving. If you have any doubts, DON'T DO IT.

There is nothing in the DOT Regulations, from what I have read, which states you MUST replace a seat belt trigger system or the vehicle cannot be driven on the road.

If memory serves me correctly it says (paraphrasing): Seat belts must be installed for every passenger and should be worn, especially where state regulations require you do so. When the triggers fail, it's on the manufacturer. So I take out the part which usually fails or may have already been triggered and cannot operate at all.

Presuming you do not have the Type "B" clasp... mentioned above, how many of you have ever actually disassembled and inspected the firing systems in your belts and verified they can even fire?

Modern Aircraft seat belts do not usually have re-tractors. Crashing in a plane, requires you return to your seat and fasten your seat belts. No re-tractors. They slip by hand because it is the most reliable way of tightening.

As far as I have researched, when I was training to fly, as long as the seat belts are present, they are in order. There is no seat belt re-tractor inspection, to the best of my knowledge, when registering or having a car inspected for emissions.

If the fabric is rotten, buy the long belt materials and have the strap stitched or tie some knots. Any rigging company which makes certified rigging slings can re-sew your straps, if you ask nicely.
They might even use Kevlar, which is much stronger than nylon seat belt thread.

Unless I have mis-read/remembered the regulations, you may choose to mount the aftermarket units (or tie some bowline knots) re-using your old extra long webbing, so long as it is supple and flex-able, not rotten and hard.

The strap from the coil, inside the re-tractor may have very little sun exposure. If you cut the section with hair spray and vomit off at the seat belt clasp across your waste and shoulder, and have the skill to tie a proper MICRO bowline to the buckle hasp, you're probably going to survive, as best as anyone in a plane crash. Check your knots often. Pull them tight with vice grips, after wetting the nylon.

I used to hang from the roof of stadiums and coliseum's, off the same knots and straps rated for the same load. My rigging harnesses had seat belt straps for the leggings. I have crawled under structural steel out to the middle of the stadiums upside down and strapped in, when I got where I was required.
If you are afraid of tying your own webbing, don't do it.

If you are afraid of crawling upside down, into the middle of a stadium under an i-beam, don't do that either.

The bowline is the strongest knot you can tie.
If you cannot tie one, DO NOT DO THIS MOD. Period.
If you have children, a wife, or haul around old people at high rates of speed and this freaks you out, DO NOT tie knots. Have them sewn to hard points and use manually tightened belts, with nice clean webbing from a quality US Manufacturer.

The most important issue, is the condition of your strap and if you buy it new, who in the USA manufactured it.

I hope this helps out the single guys on a budget and clears up what was asked.
It may be a bit ghetto for some guys. It is far better than not having one at all.

This is one of those posts, where I went long, because people, without $300.00 might ignore the problem and do nothing and drive dangerously. Seat belts only save lives, if you wear them. Old rotten belts are not going to save your life. Nylon from 1977 is the same as no seat belt at all, if the polymer is dry rotted from sun exposure. This is a serious issue.
 
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