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I know I didn’t disconnect anything that I know of. There are a couple things not plugged in but they weren’t plugged in before
 

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There should be a 'buss terminal' attached just to the right of the parking brake and above it on the frame just a touch higher than the fuse box.
Sometimes it gets rusty up there and you lose all sorts of things on occasion. Just remove it, clean the area and remount it.
Nothing but grounds attach there.
 

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I drove it last week and directionals worked fine. Yesterday started things when I was trouble shooting the horn.

Sounds like the horn is an entirely separate issue. Maybe concentrate on the lighting problem first. Since the front and rear directionals share a common terminal within the directional switch assembly, it would appear that there is a loss of continuity somewhere in the rear lighting circuit. The lack of brake lights - with illuminated front directionals - would also support that theory.

The reason that the front directional lamps illuminate - but do not flash - is most likely due to a reduced current flow through the flasher relay. Flashers require a certain amount of current flowing through them to cause the internal contacts to open/close.

Maybe check for voltage on the DK GRN & YEL leads where they enter the harness connector. Also be sure you rear harness lighting is properly grounded. With an 1157 lamp (i.e. dual filament), the brake/blinker filament draws a lot more current than the filament for the parking light. The filaments are rated at 30/4 W and the amperage flow would be proportional. The side marker lamps are rated even lower - like 3W. Circuits with higher current flow require a better path to ground - than circuits carrying low amperage.

Look at the marked up wiring diagrams below and see what you think:

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I know this may not be related, but I had a ford escort with a trailer light harness that was spliced into my twilight harness which had the wires cut and was not active, it made my blinkers and twilights do crazy stuff.
 

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If you still are having the problem check a few things.
Pull the rear turnsignal lenses, and bulbs, then try the blinkers. If the fronts now blink, you may have an issue with rusty, shorted bulb holders. If no change, check what your dash board does when you try the blinkers. If your fuel gage goes crazy (most likely zero) or your dash lights are not working correctly (and were) check your wiring and ground on the dash.
 

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I’m gonna look into this during the week. I will let all of you know what I found. Thanks
 

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Both tail light bulbs. They still work though. Even with them out the directionals don’t work.

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From a previous post:
Both tail light bulbs. They still work though. Even with them out the directionals don’t work.

Removing lamps/current load from a circuit using a thermal type flasher will not improve performance - if anything, doing that will cause the flash rate to slow down. If enough lamps are removed, eventually the flasher will cease to flash altogether.


From a previous post:

The reason that the front directional lamps illuminate - but do not flash - is most likely due to a reduced current flow through the flasher relay. Flashers require a certain amount of current flowing through them to cause the internal contacts to open/close.

Maybe check for voltage on the DK GRN & YEL leads where they enter the harness connector. Also be sure you rear harness lighting is properly grounded. With an 1157 lamp (i.e. dual filament), the brake/blinker filament draws a lot more current than the filament for the parking light. The filaments are rated at 30/4 W and the amperage flow would be proportional. The side marker lamps are rated even lower - like 3W. Circuits with higher current flow require a better path to ground - than circuits carrying low amperage.

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The rear lighting harness - in the images above - is wired with two grounds. Both lighting the L& R assemblies has it's own dedicated ground lead:

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That design often helps in diagnosing a problem; If the lamps in one assembly are out - but the other side is fine - it generally points to a loss of continuity in the ground leg of the affected assembly.

But don't assume you have this type of harness. There is another design that was widely used. In that type, the ground legs from both sides are led to the middle of the truck and spliced together. Then that common ground wire is bolted to the frame. So, as you can imagine, if that common wire breaks or the connection to the frame is lost...both sides go out.

But, even having said all that, I'd bet my left nut that when you break the connection at the plug and check for voltage on the DK GRN & YEL leads - you get nothing. I would use brake light circuit to generate the test voltage. It is a steady voltage (no flasher to confuse things), it only goes to the rear lighting and it is fed directly from the battery and not though the ignition switch. Jam a cinder block or something similar against the brake pedal. While you're doing that, take a second to confirm that voltage is at least coming out of the brake switch (on the white lead):

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Both tail light bulbs. They still work though. Even with them out the directionals don’t work.

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Both of those bulbs may work but they're junk. No decent 1157 has blue/black swirls, much less swirls of any kind in them.
 

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Got into yesterday and finished replacing the turn signal switch. I did figure out if tightened the left screw on the switch too much , it would make a weak connection for the hazards and turn signals. I backed the screw off a half turn or so and it made good contact again. Had a front marker/directional light go bad so after replacing that had the turn signal flasher go. For now everything works. Last project is to install the steering wheel lock properly. So I have to take it all back apart. Haha. Horn,brakes,turn signals and hazards all work. Thanks for the input.
 

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